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    Helly

    So regardless of which group she targeted she was going to offend someone right? So basically better to not say anything at all is what I am hearing. Suppress free speech!

    Honestly there was no better way for her to word it. She wanted to hear the opinions of other people on those movies, people of different colors, and of different backgrounds. That's not such a terrible thing to ask. Maybe she could've worded it better. I don't know, maybe you have an idea of how she could've word it better without triggering someone.

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      Originally posted by Kajin_Style View Post
      Helly

      So regardless of which group she targeted she was going to offend someone right? So basically better to not say anything at all is what I am hearing. Suppress free speech!
      That's the inevitable consequence for the adherents to the oppression heirarchy dogma. I'm simply pointing that out to them. Obviously, I'm not a follower of such a ludicrous system myself.


      Honestly there was no better way for her to word it. She wanted to hear the opinions of other people on those movies, people of different colors, and of different backgrounds. That's not such a terrible thing to ask. Maybe she could've worded it better. I don't know, maybe you have an idea of how she could've word it better without triggering someone.
      She could have just omitted "white men" from her statement completely, and instead focused on encouraging the other demographics. We are where we are now because she expressly excluded an entire group from being worthy of consideration.

      Countless movies tailored towards specific ethnic minorities have been produced before. Notice how the ones who didn't have actors going out and saying "fuck [x] people" didn't recieve this type of backlash.

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        Originally posted by Helly View Post

        Can you say anything relevant to my comment at all, or are you just going to sperg about your feelings again
        Feeeling is all I have.

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          Originally posted by Helly View Post

          yea, but they get like helicopters and cars named after them or whatever

          thats gotta count for something, right
          I hate you with every consecutive post you make (and that I read).

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            Originally posted by #83.6666666667 View Post

            I hate you with every consecutive post you make (and that I read).
            Good.

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              Originally posted by Helly View Post

              Good.
              You're probably the only person I legitimately dislike here, good job.

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              • #83.6666666667
                #83.6666666667 commented
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                It's like you're doing it on purpose.

              • Helly
                Helly commented
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                More like, I'm going about my business not really caring how randoms feel about off-hand jokes. You weren't even involved with that conversation at all. Maybe make like your fellow Tumblrinas and use the block function if it's this easy to trigger you. Lol.

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                That does it. I'm going to give a very harsh review to your next songs.

              I mean, don't be a cunt to a large portion of your viewing public and you don't really have to worry about backlash, it's not that hard tbh.

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                Originally posted by King John View Post
                I mean, don't be a cunt to a large portion of your viewing public and you don't really have to worry about backlash, it's not that hard tbh.
                Apparently the movie is "kicking ass" in the box office, so maybe do.

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                  Originally posted by #83.6666666667 View Post

                  Apparently the movie is "kicking ass" in the box office, so maybe do.
                  It was never going to not make money, I can't even think of the last DC or Marvel movie to not make at least 600 million. Disney definitely isn't loving the negative press right now though. Star Wars Last Jedi made over a billion but the bad reception hurt the overall brand. Which almost certainly was a big reason Solo flopped.

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                    CinemaScore is out for the movie. An "A." Audiences that actually went and saw it are scoring it pretty high, it seems. Also the current highest grossing weekend of 2019 and on track to make it into the top 10, if not top 5 of MCU top grossing.

                    Seems like it's doing pretty well in spite of the troll campaign and Larson's questionable comments. I'll probably head to see it at some point next week.

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                      Originally posted by Cid View Post
                      CinemaScore is out for the movie. An "A." Audiences that actually went and saw it are scoring it pretty high, it seems. Also the current highest grossing weekend of 2019 and on track to make it into the top 10, if not top 5 of MCU top grossing.

                      Seems like it's doing pretty well in spite of the troll campaign and Larson's questionable comments. I'll probably head to see it at some point next week.
                      Again, Last Jedi got an "A" cinemascore and made over a billion dollars, but it wasn't a positive for that brand overall imo.

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                        Originally posted by King John View Post

                        It was never going to not make money, I can't even think of the last DC or Marvel movie to not make at least 600 million. Disney definitely isn't loving the negative press right now though. Star Wars Last Jedi made over a billion but the bad reception hurt the overall brand. Which almost certainly was a big reason Solo flopped.
                        Well it looks like the saying "bad press is better than no press" holds true.

                        As for the Han Solo flop, maybe it had to do with other factors because as you even said, big pictures make money despite bad press.

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                          Originally posted by #83.6666666667 View Post

                          Well it looks like the saying "bad press is better than no press" holds true.

                          As for the Han Solo flop, maybe it had to do with other factors because as you even said, big pictures make money despite bad press.
                          I don't think the "controversy" had much of an affect on the box office either way, Marvel movies sell no matter what, at least for now. Most people probably have no idea there is even a controversy, they just go "Oh, another Marvel movie, let's go see it." It might have an affect down the line though, End Game will do over a billion easy, but other solo/origin story type movies might see some diminishing returns going forward. All the bad press aside, the movie seems to be just a very bland and forgettable film, even the critic scores and non-troll reviews have it mostly in the 5-7 range. I don't think it will do the damage to the Marvel brand that The Last Jedi did to the Star Wars franchise, but it's not going to help.

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                            Originally posted by King John View Post

                            Again, Last Jedi got an "A" cinemascore and made over a billion dollars, but it wasn't a positive for that brand overall imo.
                            Well, TLJ was pretty good overall. There were some dumb parts and that entire casino planet bit was bad, but it was still better than any of the past 4 Star Wars movies. It just gets a bad rap because SW fans are genuinely awful.

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                              Captain marvel is the last movie before end game and had huge teaser in infinity war. It was always going to make money. Nothing is going to stop it.

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                                Originally posted by Cid View Post

                                Well, TLJ was pretty good overall. There were some dumb parts and that entire casino planet bit was bad, but it was still better than any of the past 4 Star Wars movies. It just gets a bad rap because SW fans are genuinely awful.
                                It wasn't better than Force Awakens or maybe even Rogue One. It had some good ideas,but they were executed poorly. Regardless, my point was a movie can make tons of money and have a good cinemascore and still be a detriment to a franchise.

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                                  Originally posted by King John View Post

                                  It wasn't better than Force Awakens or maybe even Rogue One. It had some good ideas,but they were executed poorly. Regardless, my point was a movie can make tons of money and have a good cinemascore and still be a detriment to a franchise.
                                  Yeah, my opinion that it was better than TFA or any of the prequels is generally less popular online than it is with people I know irl. No need to remind me.

                                  It wasn't really a detriment to the franchise, though. A lot of (dumb) people like to point to Solo and say "it wouldn't have flopped if TLJ was better." But... That's probably not true. Solo hired a young unknown that, by accounts from production, couldn't act very well and replaced Harrison Ford with him. It had a very visible falling out with the director and had to replace him in the middle of filming. Ron Howard had to do a ton of reshoots. The entire story surrounding Solo's production was the exact same as the horror stories surrounding Justice League, which had disappointed critics and fans alike just a few months before.

                                  I liked Solo. It wasn't great but it wasn't awful either. It was mediocre by definition but was fun. But even I was put off by all the mess coming out of production. Solo was doomed from the start, any backlash from TLJ, from a vocal minority, had no effect on how Solo performed.

                                  That's pretty obvious. Hype is still high for Episode 9, people are excited to see it, and it's going to sell just as many tickets as every other numbered SW film. TLJ didn't cause any harm to the franchise. Lol.

                                  Captain Marvel won't either.

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                                    Originally posted by Post-Crisis Shob View Post


                                    ...like...lowkey...wonderwoman wasn't really even that good...

                                    DCU movies get graded on a curve where "just okay" is "amazing," because most DCU movies tend to be pretty shit.

                                    Wonderwoman was "just okay." ("just okay" translated to "amazing" because it was being compared to the suck-fest that was suicide squad + batman vs. superman)

                                    MCU movies also get graded on a curve; but in the opposite sort of way.

                                    MCU movies get graded on a curve where "Just okay" is "bad," because most MCU movies tend to be amazing.

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                                    My suspicion is that if you don't look at Wonderwoman as part of the DCU or Captain Marvel as part of the MCU and just evaluate them as standalone-films.

                                    Quality wise...they're probably pretty similar...

                                    And Incel troll campaign aside--its a testament to the comparative quality of the two cinematic universes that WW gets held out as this groundbreaking cinematic achievement and the best the DCU has to offer.

                                    While the objective critical consensus seems to be that Captain Marvel is probably the weakest film MCU has put out since Thor 2.

                                    (Yes--WW would be a Thor 2 tier film if it released in MCU)
                                    Don't particularly care to debate the DCEU's quality (or the lack thereof), but you're seriously overrating the MCU. As someone who watches more than one movie a month and is actually familiar with the characters in question, the Marvel movies (despite being better than most of the DC ones; the Nolan trilogy alone, despite being "non-canon," will remain a cut above) really aren't that good. WS, quite likely the best of the lot, was like a 7.5/10 at the most.

                                    Thus, CM scoring even a 5/10 would be extremely generous, to say the least. And yes, yes, being "better" is relative and all--but WW was a 6/10 at the very least.
                                    Last edited by Kai’ckul; March 10th, 2019, 07:14 PM.

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                                    • Kai’ckul
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                                      Now, now... Most Marvel movies may be glorified dreck, but calling them a "joke" is going a bit overboard, no?

                                    • Cid
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                                      I mean more about your WW scoring. If you're rating Winter Soldier as a 7.5/10 then WW should be about a 3.5 or 4. Lol

                                    • Kai’ckul
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                                      Cid Then I suppose it's just as well that we're talking about WW, not CM. :/

                                    Originally posted by -Person- View Post

                                    Sounds like a standard marvel movie
                                    Nah the concept of Thor sounds cool. The concept of having some fuckers flying through space, saving people is also good (GoTG).

                                    Captain Marvel just sounds gay. Who names their fucking comic book character after the company that makes comics? That's some dumb shit.

                                    What's next? Captain Netflix? Jesus Christ.

                                    Or you got a new Shonen called "One Jump Man", published by Shonen Jump. Retarded shit.
                                    Last edited by King Solomon; March 10th, 2019, 11:22 AM.

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                                      Saw the movie. The problem was with the acting in my opinion. She is bland as early Thor. The only women power moments they had were wack but not as bad as I thought they would be. Will never watch this shit again though.

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