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    Originally posted by Cid View Post

    She's got a better chance than Biden, since she's actually competent. She'd destroy Trump in the debates, just like Hillary did. And she's a bit more likable and personable than Hillary, despite mostly being a fraud still. And even though Trump's numbers are up some, they're still among the lowest ever. So it's not really saying much. Lol

    But that's not the reason I'd vote for her anyway. I basically made up my mind that I'm going to swallow my pride and vote for the democrat this coming election just because of how awful Trump has been. The only exception was if the DNC managed to push another Republican that literally nobody wanted. Which means I can't vote for Biden.
    It's significant because Trump's numbers are up from 2016, when he rocked the electorate. Being marginally more "charming" than Hillary is irrelevant, because even Biden and Harris are capable of that much.

    Just because Warren stole Sanders' 2016 platform for her own doesn't mean she's any different from Obama/Hillary/Biden. I'd bet money she turns heel again the second she steps foot into office. What are the misguided people who voted for her going to do then? ...Impeach her? Lol
    Last edited by Lord L'Zoril; October 9th, 2019, 07:08 PM.

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      Cid
      Nobody, Trump shills included, actually thought he'd win. What else would you call it? What's more, he demolished Hillary almost as badly as Obama did Romney for the electoral majority.
      Last edited by Lord L'Zoril; October 9th, 2019, 08:47 PM.

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      Cid commented
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      "B-b-but the polls were wrong!?!?!?"

      It's been debunked a million times, Morph. You know that, so not sure why you're continuing to spout it. In the weeks leading up to election day, the race had been tightening and by election day a Trump victory was within the poll's 2-3% margin of error. Just because nobody wanted to believe Trump's victory was possible didn't mean it was touted as impossible by any reliable sources.

      Trump also only won because Hillary was stupid. She thought her victory in the blue wall and rust belt states were guaranteed because they were democratic strongholds. She didn't campaign in those states and she ended up losing the vote there. It was her and her staff's overconfidence in her ability to pull those votes as well as the black votes in Philadelphia that caused her loss... It had nothing to do with Trump. There's a reason he was one of the weakest and most disliked candidates to ever run. Team Hillary saw an easy victory and screwed up.

      Trump didn't "Rock the Electorate" in any way. Anyone with any semblance of knowledge in politics knows that. You're smarter than this, quit being contrarian to try to stir up drama. I had surgery a couple weeks back, I really don't feel like having the conversation when it's not even legitimate.
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      I mean, flipping key states (regardless of motivation) that have historically voted for the other party almost exclusively is noteworthy, but sure. I won't press the issue.

      Though I will add that Trump's campaign advisors likely took in consideration that nobody liked Trump aside from young memefags barely out of puberty. Surely, Hillary's own knew that she was universally disliked as well. If anyone's to blame, it's them. Unless she ignored their advice and chose not to campaign in the "Rust Belt" anyway.

    Originally posted by Cid View Post

    I'd just like to see him fully flesh his plan out. Yang claimed when he launched his campaign that he's a "numbers guy" so he kind of needs to put the numbers up if he wants to be taken seriously as a contender. I like some of his ideals, I really do. But he's kind of like Buttigeig, that's all he has. He doesn't have any full plans out there, just pieces.



    General election debates aren't really for the democrats or republicans. Those votes are already decided. The general debates are for the people who haven't made a decision and are watching the debates so they can see what he candidate has to say about the issues. So yes, absolutely. Hillary mopped the floor with Trump in all of their debates. Only thing Trump won was the meme war. That's why Hillary won the popular vote by such a large margin. She won more of the fence sitters, probably because of how much more intelligent and well-spoken she was. lol.

    I mean, had Hillary not just assumed that she'd win the rust belt out of principal of being a democrat... She probably would have mopped the floor with him in the electoral college as well. She just fucked up and didn't campaign in those blue states that Trump flipped.
    Literally I saw no coverage outside of the same entities that said she won the primary debates saying she won the general.

    Trump had so many one liners that just highlighted her own lack of charisma. It's one of her main flaws, and the thing is I'd be more willing to give credit to the him and haw of the popular vote not making Hillary president if it wasn't for the fact that when Bernie pointed out a similarly broken system her camp told him "you signed up for this knowing the rules". And Wisconsin isn't even a blue state, and she spent 0 dollars and 0 hours on this state in the general election.... that's not a mistake or miscalculation, that's blatant overconfidence and delusional thinking. And it's starting to feel like the mistakes of 2016 are going to happen again at this rate as once again everyone is acting like it's the democrat's race to lose when Trump is still massively popular with the same base that got him in the office in the first place. If we don't get someone like Bernie or Tulsi on that stage against him and end up with a Kamala Harris or Cory Booker type we're going to be in for 2016 v2.0

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      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuHlWe_aydE

      Cid

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        Despicable. If the system itself weren't inherently venal, Sanders' presidency (ideally, with Gabbard as his RM) would be imminent. But in the event that their favored establishment shill (Biden or Warren -- dealer's choice) falters, they really would much rather take another four years of Trump than risk someone who could actually upset the status quo.
        Last edited by Lord L'Zoril; October 11th, 2019, 07:15 AM.

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          Is no one going to talk about the Democratic debate? Seriously?
          Originally posted by Helly;n542091
          Also, lol @ "I'm busy". You admit you have no life and go to many forums, and in the same post lie about havingLmao. Go work on your fictitious "dream" instead of wasting your time lying to us about how important you are.

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            Originally posted by #83.6666666667 View Post
            Is no one going to talk about the Democratic debate? Seriously?
            Not much to say about it really. Only thing that really stood out to me was the power dynamic in the race has noticeably changed.

            Insofar as the low-tier candidates looking to score their moment in the spotlight by landing a hit on the presumed frontrunner weren't ganging up on Biden or Sanders.

            They were gunning for Warren.

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              Dare I hope that voters are finally starting to realize they been sleeping on Buttigeig?

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                Originally posted by Post-Crisis Shob View Post
                Dare I hope that voters are finally starting to realize they been sleeping on Buttigeig?
                What do you see in Buttigeig? He seems like one of the easy ignores to me.
                Originally posted by Wade
                Everything is hidden in plain sight, like in Men in Black. We've all just been neuralized to think it is "normal".

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                  Read some pleasing news earlier today.

                  Biden has only about $9 million left in his campaign account, compared to Bernie's $30+ million, Warren's $25+ million, and Harris/Buttigeigs's $15+ million. What's more is that, in this quarter, he spent more money than he received.

                  Sure signs that his campaign is fizzling out. I expect him to drop after New Hampshire and Iowa.

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                    Originally posted by Post-Crisis Shob View Post

                    Not much to say about it really. Only thing that really stood out to me was the power dynamic in the race has noticeably changed.

                    Insofar as the low-tier candidates looking to score their moment in the spotlight by landing a hit on the presumed frontrunner weren't ganging up on Biden or Sanders.

                    They were gunning for Warren.
                    She handled it well. Looks like Bernie is done. If he doesn't attack her because they're "friends" I don't see how he'll push ahead.
                    Originally posted by Helly;n542091
                    Also, lol @ "I'm busy". You admit you have no life and go to many forums, and in the same post lie about havingLmao. Go work on your fictitious "dream" instead of wasting your time lying to us about how important you are.

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                      Originally posted by #83.6666666667 View Post

                      She handled it well. Looks like Bernie is done. If he doesn't attack her because they're "friends" I don't see how he'll push ahead.
                      Putting him in second place instead of first isn't exactly the end of the line.
                      Originally posted by Wade
                      Everything is hidden in plain sight, like in Men in Black. We've all just been neuralized to think it is "normal".

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                        Originally posted by Post-Crisis Shob View Post
                        Dare I hope that voters are finally starting to realize they been sleeping on Buttigeig?
                        Shob no...

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                          Originally posted by Ladd View Post

                          Shob no...
                          Yes, very much yes.

                          Originally posted by Post-Crisis Shob View Post
                          they been sleeping on Buttigeig
                          Originally posted by OrganizationXV View Post
                          What do you see in Buttigeig?

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                            If Warren actually wins the ticket, it's over. Trump has even more ammo on her than he does on "Socialist" Bernie Sanders and "Sleepy Joe." All "Pocahontas" is going to achieve is bringing about another four years of President Trump.

                            Congratulations in advance, folks. Democracy is here to stay.
                            Last edited by Lord L'Zoril; October 19th, 2019, 02:05 AM.

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                              Trump isn't smart enough or disciplined enough to dig through Warren's political history to find the things she's been wishy-washy on. All he'll do is call her Pocahontas and make fun of the native thing. Wouldn't really consider that to me more ammo than Joe's very public and highly questionable stances on racial divide, or his consistently creepy interactions with women, or the whole drama with his son.

                              And if you're talking about the socialist slanders, he'll levy those against all three of them, since the common idea among Republicans is that Democrats are all socialist now.

                              If Bernie can't win the nomination, Warren is probably the next best choice out of the three that actually have a chance now. Harris would have probably been better for the match against Trump than Warren, but she's grown too conservative to really rally the base.

                              Biden still stands as the least likey democrat to win the general.
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                                Bernie obviously won't win. He's not cut out to be a politician, quite frankly. A successful politician has to be ruthless and unscrupulous; a downright Machiavellian sociopath. Bernie is too honorable, too nice. He tries to run a clean, aboveboard campaign when no other candidate is willing to do the same. And that might give him the moral high ground, sure, but it certainly won't win him an election. I'd rather he compromise a small part of his integrity, so he can actually be in a position to help regular Americans unlike all the other candidates, than not and stay steadfast on his high horse while the other candidates continue to work the system and fuck over the little people. Seriously, fuck Bernie. I used to believe in him, but he clearly cares more about preserving his "noble" reputation than playing the game the only way it can be played. Dirtily.

                                One aspect of politics DJT has mastered, by the by. You scoff at the "cute" nicknames bestowed upon his opposition by Trump, but those tend to follow you around forevermore. Or did you forget about "Low-Energy Bush" and "Crooked Hillary"? Ended those people's very careers. "Pocahontas" (especially because it is "Pocahontas" -- i.e., the embodiment of white colonizer entitlement in an unabashed effort to claim the sympathetic brown vote, which is doubly funny when you consider that Warren had the gall to go after Trump for being a "white supremacist" in spite of this), when Fox and other conservative media undoubtedly refresh people's memory, will follow her dumb ass around. Trump doesn't even need to destroy her. She's already destroyed herself.

                                Also, anybody that goes after the dude who recently served as VP to the only non-white prez to date with a racial framework in mind needs an involuntary lobotomy.
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                                  Morph, Bernie has been in Congress for 28 years, mate. If he wasn't "cut out to be a politician" then he wouldn't keep getting elected. lol.

                                  You seem pretty misguided in a lot of your personal beliefs. One of the reasons that Bernie is so popular is because he's honest. It's not really his fault that the DNC cockblocks him as much as they possibly can. If anything, it's a testament to how insanely successful he has been so far. He's literally the DNC's biggest fear and yet he's ran two presidential campaigns and has been a top contender both times. Even if Bernie doesn't get elected, his entire campaign strategy has been to start a movement. Light a fire and begin a revolution. His slogan even embodies that ideal. Not me, us. The man is playing the game. He's just playing on an entirely different level than the rest of the field. Biden, Warren, and Buttigeig are playing for the short term goal of getting the presidency and making a few changes that will inevitably get overthrown the next time a republican gets in office. Bernie is building a movement that will ensure that his torch is carried and defended for generations. And he's winning. You just don't see it.

                                  As for Donald's "cute nicknames"... Well, he came up "crooked Hillary" and "lock her up" and still lost by 3 million votes. As I explained before, had Hillary and her campaign staff not been complete retards she would have won the presidency. Trump's used constant attacks on her person, pleaded with Russia to meddle in the election, and even employed criminal schemes to try and dig up dirt on her... And he still almost lost. So no, those nicknames didn't do Trump much good in 2016. And a big "LOL" at him "ending her career". She's still very popular with democrats and holds a lot of power in the party. And as for Jeb... Nobody liked him from the start. lmao

                                  Now, Hillary was a different kind of beast than Warren. But we know, for a fact, that Trump's childish mocking and barrage of insults haven't actually done him any good with independents or democrats, which are they voters he has to turn in order to actually win again. Republicans are going to go out and vote for him anyway, and they're the only ones that like his awful behavior. The rest of the country views him as an embarrassment.

                                  And nah man, you can't seriously believe anything you just said about Biden. Obama didn't choose him for anything he did for minorities. Obama picked Biden because Obama needed to appeal to old white people and Joe was an old white guy. Obama won't even endorse Biden's bid for the presidency for fuck's sake and instead said the party needed "new blood". lolololol
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                                    Originally posted by OrganizationXV View Post

                                    What do you see in Buttigeig? He seems like one of the easy ignores to me.
                                    The highest praise I can give him is that he's running the campaign I would want to run if I were in the race

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                                      Originally posted by Lord L'Zoril View Post
                                      If Warren actually wins the ticket, it's over. Trump has even more ammo on her than he does on "Socialist" Bernie Sanders and "Sleepy Joe." All "Pocahontas" is going to achieve is bringing about another four years of President Trump.

                                      Congratulations in advance, folks. Democracy is here to stay.
                                      If the American cunting voter is dumb enough to take tat bait, we deserve 4 more years of Trump

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                                        Originally posted by Cid View Post
                                        If Bernie can't win the nomination, Warren is probably the next best choice out of the three that actually have a chance now. Harris would have probably been better for the match against Trump than Warren, but she's grown too conservative to really rally the base.

                                        If the Democrats were smart this is how they'd play this out. (they aren't, and I have no expectation that they'll actually do this)

                                        ...say the nominee is...oh I don't know...lets say...Buttigeig...

                                        Very first act as a general election candidate should be bringing all the primary rivals who brought something of value to the field on board as prospective White House appointments and cabinet picks catered to their specific sets of skills.

                                        Biden @ Secretary of State
                                        Booker @ Secretary of Housing and Urban Development
                                        Gabbard @ Secretary of Veterans Affairs
                                        Harris @ Attorney General
                                        Sanders @ Secretary of Health & Humans (pushing universal healthcare--make that his one job)
                                        Warren @ Secretary of Education (she use to be a teacher)
                                        Yang @ Secretary of Commerce

                                        Whoever the nominee is: that should be their first move.

                                        Don't just do the usual walk of teasing out the VP--go big. Get everyone in there. Make a grand show of it.

                                        If Democrats are united going into the general, the win.

                                        Thats how you make a unity ticket.
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