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    You know, it's almost like the only reason we were stuck in the Middle East for 15+ years is because it's an incredibly complicated subject that can't be solved by "stay forever" or "leave immediately".
    Originally posted by Wade
    Everything is hidden in plain sight, like in Men in Black. We've all just been neuralized to think it is "normal".

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      Originally posted by Timeless Writer View Post
      Fucking socialists, am I right fellows?
      I haven't kept up with the Syrian crisis. So my first question, rather than immediately criticizing AOC, is "has anything changed in the last six months?"

      If there have been majors shifts over there that called for the US remaining active, then there's nothing to talk about here.

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        Originally posted by OrganizationXV View Post
        You know, it's almost like the only reason we were stuck in the Middle East for 15+ years is because it's an incredibly complicated subject that can't be solved by "stay forever" or "leave immediately".
        It's not that complicated. In fact, it can be broken down as "Russkies bad, 'Muricans good."

        What's more, there would be no "dilemma" if we'd never intervened in the ME in the first place. It really is as simple as "Stop being interventionist cunts," ffs, lmao.

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          Originally posted by Lord L'Zoril View Post

          It's not that complicated. In fact, it can be broken down as "Russkies bad, 'Muricans good."

          What's more, there would be no "dilemma" if we'd never intervened in the ME in the first place. It really is as simple as "Stop being interventionist cunts," ffs, lmao.
          I meant in terms of an exit strategy. I seem to remember bad things happening last time we pulled out huge numbers of soldiers from a middle eastern country. ISIS had no problem with it though
          Originally posted by Wade
          Everything is hidden in plain sight, like in Men in Black. We've all just been neuralized to think it is "normal".

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            Originally posted by OrganizationXV View Post

            I meant in terms of an exit strategy. I seem to remember bad things happening last time we pulled out huge numbers of soldiers from a middle eastern country. ISIS had no problem with it though
            Again, ISIS wouldn't even have been a thing if we hadn't been occupying Iraq "because WMDs" in the first place.

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              Originally posted by Lord L'Zoril View Post

              Again, ISIS wouldn't even have been a thing if we hadn't been occupying Iraq "because WMDs" in the first place.
              Yeah, I know. I never said we should've gone in to begin with
              Originally posted by Wade
              Everything is hidden in plain sight, like in Men in Black. We've all just been neuralized to think it is "normal".

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                It's happening allover again, with US troops pulling out of Syria and Turkish troops attacking northern part, watch the Kurds who once fought against ISIS become a part of ISIS to fight back the Turks. You guys are the reason why ISIS was made, and now you guys probably will be the reason again for ISIS being reborn.

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                  Frankly, the best option now is to just pull everyone out from the M.E. It would be good for us, and probably good for the M.E. (Well...in the long term).

                  We're clearly not doing anything of value in the region.

                  Unfortunately, there aren't enough of the right people with enough influence to make that happen...
                  Last edited by RussianCoffeeAddict; October 11th, 2019, 10:10 AM.

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                    Originally posted by Timeless Writer View Post
                    Fucking socialists, am I right fellows?
                    Cool. A politician that changes her mind. Like we haven't seen one of those before.

                    Hey, you know instead of focusing on so much hate on the Dems, why not focus on the subject matter, hm?

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                      So did Trump actually withdraw or just “withdraw,” as in, still keep a bunch of soldiers in even if the number’s smaller...?

                      Because if it’s the first...

                      Good on him.

                      This is a good step to ending the endless wars that don’t amount to anything good in the end.

                      I doubt it’s for good reasons...but it’s a good result.
                      Last edited by RussianCoffeeAddict; October 11th, 2019, 10:42 PM.

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                        Originally posted by RussianCoffeeAddict View Post
                        So did Trump actually withdraw or just “withdraw,” as in, still keep a bunch of soldiers in even if the number’s smaller...?

                        Because if it’s the first...

                        Good on him.

                        This is a good step to ending the endless wars that don’t amount to anything good in the end.

                        I doubt it’s for good reasons...but it’s a good result.
                        Unless ISIS does re-establish a foothold in the region, like the one it got last time we tried to pull out.
                        Originally posted by Wade
                        Everything is hidden in plain sight, like in Men in Black. We've all just been neuralized to think it is "normal".

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                          Originally posted by OrganizationXV View Post
                          Unless ISIS does re-establish a foothold in the region, like the one it got last time we tried to pull out.
                          If we get fucked with again like in 9/11, we can go in and kick their asses. Well, if we actually bother to strike at the heart of the problem *cough* ignoring Saudi Arabia *cough,* otherwise the effort's wasted.

                          But if not, just let everyone else in the M.E. deal with them. They've had time to take notes on our fuck-ups, at least...
                          Last edited by RussianCoffeeAddict; October 12th, 2019, 12:33 AM.

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                            Originally posted by RussianCoffeeAddict View Post
                            So did Trump actually withdraw or just “withdraw,” as in, still keep a bunch of soldiers in even if the number’s smaller...?

                            Because if it’s the first...

                            Good on him.
                            Yeah, good on him for abandoning US allies, the ones that took the real brunt of the war against ISIS, to die because they didn't help us in Normandy.

                            This is a good step to ending the endless wars that don’t amount to anything good in the end.
                            You mean the war between Turkey and the Kurds he just caused by withdrawing US troops? A war that'll probably end with the reestablishment of a powerful ISIS force?

                            If we get fucked with again like in 9/11, we can go in and kick their asses. Well, if we actually bother to strike at the heart of the problem *cough* ignoring Saudi Arabia *cough,* otherwise the effort's wasted.
                            How is it smart homeland security policy to act after an attack happens when it could have been prevented? 9/11 could have been prevented with proper intelligence and if America was more proactive, but your dumbass is asking for a repeat.

                            But if not, just let everyone else in the M.E. deal with them. They've had time to take notes on our fuck-ups, at least...
                            Because this worked out well before. We should never have went to the middle east, but we're there now and an abrupt retreat from a region that needs American forces is bad strategy and it's shown to do more harm than good. It's why ISIS exists in the first place.
                            Last edited by Raniero; October 12th, 2019, 01:53 AM.

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                              Originally posted by Raniero View Post
                              9/11 could have been prevented with proper intelligence and if America was more proactive, but your dumbass is asking for a repeat.
                              So should we go be the world police willy nilly or make sure our intel gets its shit together (if it hasn't already)? I personally like the latter. Let's take a look at the former to see why...

                              Nothing. Pretty much nothing came from being the big Po Po of the M.E if not actually making things worse. If a terrorist organization "died," its baby just grew up instead.

                              What DID we get, though, in return? Tens of thousands of American dead, more dead on the other side, and lots of civvies dead too, on top of a nice fresh wave of traumatized veterans to come home to a country that can't get them either a job or the necessary help.

                              Probably a lot of other side effects.

                              And it cost a ton of money too.

                              At some point, you gotta realize you either can't remedy the situation militarily because the situation isn't in your favor...or you suck at your job. Either way, I don't like the idea of continuing, at best I see things merely being put on loop for another decade or two.
                              Last edited by RussianCoffeeAddict; October 12th, 2019, 02:40 AM.

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                                Can someone explain why America is sending troops to Saudi again? I mean, just now you guys pulled out of Syria and Trump didn't want anything to do with M.E.

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                                  Originally posted by Raniero View Post
                                  if America was more proactive
                                  Don't really disagree with the overall sentiment, but what did you mean by this? Are you insinuating that we should be preemptively be bombing the shit out of people who live in literal straw huts to "counteract terrorism"? Because that's how more terrorists are made. When you blow up the families and friends of people who were once innocent civilians in drone strikes and call it "collateral damage."

                                  That surely ain't it, G.
                                  Last edited by Lord L'Zoril; October 12th, 2019, 03:29 AM.

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                                    Originally posted by RussianCoffeeAddict View Post
                                    So did Trump actually withdraw or just “withdraw,” as in, still keep a bunch of soldiers in even if the number’s smaller...?

                                    Because if it’s the first...

                                    Good on him.

                                    This is a good step to ending the endless wars that don’t amount to anything good in the end.

                                    I doubt it’s for good reasons...but it’s a good result.
                                    I'm not completely up to date on the story but last I heard Trump only specifically pulled out troops from where the Kurds are. And kept the troops everywhere else.
                                    Now Trump is doing this blatantly fake anti war rhetoric to deflect from the fact that he sold out our allies, probably for a quick buck in some shady back room deal.

                                    Trump is not anti war, he hired a fucking neocon warmonger to be in charge of foreign policy.
                                    Last edited by Ladd; October 12th, 2019, 04:35 AM.

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                                      Originally posted by Flame Saber View Post
                                      Can someone explain why America is sending troops to Saudi again? I mean, just now you guys pulled out of Syria and Trump didn't want anything to do with M.E.
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                                      Last edited by Ladd; October 12th, 2019, 04:34 AM.

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                                        Originally posted by RussianCoffeeAddict View Post
                                        So did Trump actually withdraw or just “withdraw,” as in, still keep a bunch of soldiers in even if the number’s smaller...?

                                        Because if it’s the first...

                                        Good on him.

                                        This is a good step to ending the endless wars that don’t amount to anything good in the end.

                                        I doubt it’s for good reasons...but it’s a good result.
                                        and yet he deployed more troops elsewhere.

                                        It's about money not about ending pax americana.

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                                          Originally posted by J peth View Post

                                          It's about money not about ending pax americana.
                                          So Trump can't be bothered to do it, not without finding another place to mess with? And as Ladd as said, he couldn’t even bother to do the pull out correctly? For the moneys?
                                          ​​​
                                          Alright, shift of position.

                                          Trump fucked up and is a perfect example of why our military involvement in the M.E. need to end pronto.
                                          Last edited by RussianCoffeeAddict; October 12th, 2019, 01:55 PM.

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