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    Originally posted by Oneiros View Post
    While Biden lacks Obama's charisma, he's definitely more likable and trustworthy than Hillary. Therefore, he would handily beat Trump in 2020. That Trump will have alienated all but his most hardcore supporters by then due to not keeping any of his grandiose promises is just rubbing salt in the wound.

    That being said, I really, reaallly don't want another corporate Democrat to default a W in the next cycle because that would signify that we have learned nothing whatsoever from Trump upsetting the status quo. Viva la non-revolución.

    Warren, Harris, Booker, and O'Rourke have little hope of felling even a disgraced Trump, however. They can preemptively hold that L.

    On the other hand, Bernie could probably do it, though the superdelegates are just going to push Biden over him just like they did Hillary, so.
    I will legit vote for Trump out of spite if they do, not even joking.

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      Originally posted by EnemyOfDaState View Post

      I will legit vote for Trump out of spite if they do, not even joking.
      On my momma, if Sanders says, "Vote for Biden anyway"...
      Originally posted by Cid;n544962
      At the very least, Kaijin displays a functional understanding of the political discussions he posts in, as well.

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        Democrats voted to take a ton of the power away from the superdelegates for 2020. They only come into play if there is no clear winner by the convention. Superdelegates can and will sway the vote to Biden if it comes to it, but it will have to be a close race for it to be a possibility.

        That means the DNC won't be able to dishearten voters by pushing the "no longer a path to victory" narrative by showing delegate counts with included superdelegates after Bernie loses his first primary.

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          Originally posted by Cid View Post
          Democrats voted to take a ton of the power away from the superdelegates for 2020. They only come into play if there is no clear winner by the convention. Superdelegates can and will sway the vote to Biden if it comes to it, but it will have to be a close race for it to be a possibility.

          That means the DNC won't be able to dishearten voters by pushing the "no longer a path to victory" narrative by showing delegate counts with included superdelegates after Bernie loses his first primary.
          It will definitely be close given how Sanders got an underwhelming 14% of the black vote (as opposed to Hillary's 86%). Stands to reason that Biden does the same.

          I think it's mainly just "older" blacks (as in 30+ y.o.s) because most of the young'uns believe in Bernie. Or maybe I'm completely off the mark and it's largely black females that were gung-ho for Hillary...
          Last edited by Lord L'Zoril; March 25th, 2019, 02:26 AM.
          Originally posted by Cid;n544962
          At the very least, Kaijin displays a functional understanding of the political discussions he posts in, as well.

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            Originally posted by Oneiros View Post

            It will definitely be close given how Sanders got an underwhelming 14% of the black vote (as opposed to Hillary's 86%). Stands to reason that Biden does the same.

            I think it's mainly just "older" blacks (as in 30+ y.o.s) because most of the young'uns believe in Bernie. Or maybe I'm completely off the mark and it's largely black females that were gung-ho for Hillary...
            Current polling shows that Bernie is winning massively among minority voters compared to others running in the primary this time around.

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              Originally posted by Oneiros View Post

              It will definitely be close given how Sanders got an underwhelming 14% of the black vote (as opposed to Hillary's 86%). Stands to reason that Biden does the same.

              I think it's mainly just "older" blacks (as in 30+ y.o.s) because most of the young'uns believe in Bernie. Or maybe I'm completely off the mark and it's largely black females that were gung-ho for Hillary...
              Hillary was riding Bill's coattails there. They really liked Bill and so they followed after Hillary. Of course, Biden will have a similar rapport, thanks to Obama. But Bernie is also an established name and he knows that he has a weakness with minorities now. I fully expect him to try much, much harder to reach out to black voters this time around.

              We'll see how it all winds up. The huge field works in his favor, though. The more delegates split between him, Biden, Harris, and Warren the fewer delegates that will be required to have a majority at the convention.

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                Originally posted by Cid View Post

                Hillary was riding Bill's coattails there. They really liked Bill and so they followed after Hillary. Of course, Biden will have a similar rapport, thanks to Obama. But Bernie is also an established name and he knows that he has a weakness with minorities now. I fully expect him to try much, much harder to reach out to black voters this time around.

                We'll see how it all winds up. The huge field works in his favor, though. The more delegates split between him, Biden, Harris, and Warren the fewer delegates that will be required to have a majority at the convention.
                You guys don't get it. Establishment Democrats will continue to placate minorities with worthless platitudes, all the while using subliminal messages to vilify Bernie just as they have been doing. As for Bernie enjoying greater support among minorities this time around, he's also conceding ground to Biden among Millennials (non-Latino minorities included), which is worrying to say the least. :/

                In regards to the curious upsurgence of "progressive" Dems like Warren and Harris; you see it as splitting the Biden vote, when it's more like splitting the Bernie vote. The newcomers have very little chance of actually winning, so all they're doing is thwarting Bernie's chances by siphoning away his delegates.

                In contrast, none of the more traditional candidates come even close to the "star power" of Biden, which means his path to victory is that much more unobstructed...
                Last edited by Lord L'Zoril; March 25th, 2019, 05:33 AM.
                Originally posted by Cid;n544962
                At the very least, Kaijin displays a functional understanding of the political discussions he posts in, as well.

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                  Originally posted by RussianCoffeeAddict View Post
                  “He will NEVER win the 2020 election unless Warren steps in! Nope, not this time!”

                  See, I’d like to believe that.

                  It’d be really comforting.

                  But if there’s even a mild chance the United States gets a kick in the balls that I’m not expecting...

                  It’ll just sting extra hard, you know?


                  Originally posted by Cid View Post

                  His ratings are in the trash. The only people that approve are the republican voters... And they only consist of ~30% of the electorate. He has completely and utterly lost the support of the centrist independent base. Trump's nightmare scenario in this cycle isn't even losing votes to the democrat, it's failure to energize the centrist and right-leaning independents, or worse, driving them to vote for the libertarian candidate.

                  Just about the only way dems can screw this up again is if they fuck over the progressive candidates like they did Bernie in 2016. I sincerely doubt the DNC is that stupid. But if they are, they deserve 4 more years of Trump. If the DNC takes its hands off the primary and lets it play out naturally, whoever gets the nomination will trounce Trump in the general, saying that no huge scandal breaks out during the general campaign.
                  2016 was about thinking the average voter can't possibly be this stupid.

                  2020 is about realizing oh yes they are.

                  Take nothing for granted.

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                    Originally posted by Post-Crisis Shob View Post





                    2016 was about thinking the average voter can't possibly be this stupid.

                    2020 is about realizing oh yes they are.

                    Take nothing for granted.
                    To be fair, it was also a matter of Hillary Clinton sucking serious ass, and a degree of rage against an establishment with a degree of justification for such sentiments.

                    Tucker actually put it right; happy voters don’t vote for Trump, desperate ones do.

                    A significant number of Obama voters (twice time voters) going to Trump should signify being careful with how we decide to frame the electorate; bashing (almost rather senselessly) on them...especially to get them to do what you want...will not fix the problem.

                    I think the electorate has a whole bunch of problems, but “they’re so dumb” is not something that should pop up merely when a guy like Trump gets the seat. This has been a problem for a long while (with the whole electorate to blame).
                    Last edited by RussianCoffeeAddict; March 25th, 2019, 12:23 PM.

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                      But what’s your opinion on the ending of the Mueller Investigation, Shob, since I know you’ve watched this more closely than I? Seems like Trump’s gotten off free for the two major charges, but that still leaves question to the rest of the Mueller report, and I wonder if it still has anything else that we might need to know...

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                        Originally posted by Cid View Post

                        Hillary was riding Bill's coattails there. They really liked Bill and so they followed after Hillary. Of course, Biden will have a similar rapport, thanks to Obama. But Bernie is also an established name and he knows that he has a weakness with minorities now. I fully expect him to try much, much harder to reach out to black voters this time around.

                        We'll see how it all winds up. The huge field works in his favor, though. The more delegates split between him, Biden, Harris, and Warren the fewer delegates that will be required to have a majority at the convention.
                        Unfortunately true.

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                          Michael Avenatti just got arrested for allegedly trying to...extort money from Nike.

                          Imagine doing this...or even getting into this situation, maybe he’s innocent...after hounding Trump for paying hush money to porn stars for...how long, again?
                          Last edited by RussianCoffeeAddict; March 25th, 2019, 03:53 PM.

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                            https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...pril-2-n987241

                            Dems are setting an April 2 deadline for a public release of the Mueller report.

                            I support this. I think the conclusions on Russia Collusion and (Barr’s) on obstruction are good things, both for the US as a whole and for us to know, but it would simply be better if we got a public release.

                            Everyone in the house except like 4 people voted that releasing the report to the entirety of congress would be a good idea. Not sure how the senate is, but I’m sure most in it want it too.

                            Would be almost suicidal to end the investigation on not even a cliff notes summary considering the nature and extent, especially for Americans as a whole.

                            EDIT: Well, we know how the Senate is now.

                            Republican Senators are being extra faggy right now, especially considering how their house counterparts did when it came to the same issue, lol.
                            Last edited by RussianCoffeeAddict; March 25th, 2019, 06:41 PM.

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                              Originally posted by RussianCoffeeAddict View Post
                              https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...pril-2-n987241

                              Dems are setting an April 2 deadline for a public release of the Mueller report.

                              I support this. I think the conclusions on Russia Collusion and (Barr’s) on obstruction are good things, both for the US as a whole and for us to know, but it would simply be better if we got a public release.

                              Everyone in the house except like 4 people voted that releasing the report to the entirety of congress would be a good idea. Not sure how the senate is, but I’m sure most in it want it too.

                              Would be almost suicidal to end the investigation on not even a cliff notes summary considering the nature and extent, especially for Americans as a whole.
                              To Barr's credit, I believe he said that he will be releasing as much of the report as possible. I don't think Dems need to strongarm him over it.

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                                Originally posted by Cid View Post

                                To Barr's credit, I believe he said that he will be releasing as much of the report as possible. I don't think Dems need to strongarm him over it.
                                Perhaps.

                                Just happy it’s most likely getting released.

                                No one would be satisfied with just this ending...

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                                  r/The_Donald, in its 4Chan-lite ways, is planning to send a literal fucking metric ton of salt to CNN over the results of the Mueller findings, and they've gotten 750 lbs shipped in 6 hours since the post was made.

                                  ...Wow...
                                  Last edited by RussianCoffeeAddict; March 25th, 2019, 07:07 PM.

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                                    Originally posted by RussianCoffeeAddict View Post
                                    r/The_Donald, in its 4Chan-lite ways, is planning to send a literal fucking metric ton of salt to CNN over the results of the Mueller findings, and they've gotten 750 lbs shipped in 6 hours since the post was made.

                                    ...Wow...
                                    Reminds me of when people were sending coat hangers to Susan Collins.

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                                      Originally posted by Cid View Post

                                      Reminds me of when people were sending coat hangers to Susan Collins.
                                      Yeah...

                                      But that wasn't for trolling purposes, so it's kind of different.
                                      Last edited by RussianCoffeeAddict; March 25th, 2019, 08:05 PM.

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                                        Originally posted by RussianCoffeeAddict View Post

                                        Yeah...

                                        But that wasn't for trolling purposes, so it's kind of different.
                                        I mean... It was pretty much trolling. Just trolling with a purpose.

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                                          Originally posted by RussianCoffeeAddict View Post
                                          But what’s your opinion on the ending of the Mueller Investigation, Shob, since I know you’ve watched this more closely than I? Seems like Trump’s gotten off free for the two major charges, but that still leaves question to the rest of the Mueller report, and I wonder if it still has anything else that we might need to know...
                                          I'll just cop and paste what I've had to say about it on facebook so far:

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                                          Friendly reminder that the Mueller Investigation was 1 of 17 active criminal investigations into Trump World. DJT was narrowly absolved on the issue of colluding with a hostile foreign government to defraud the United States.

                                          Money Laundering through the Trump Organization, Tax Evasion, and any other incidental crimes discovered along the way are still unresolved + in the hands of the Southern District of New York.


                                          (2)

                                          Again--friendly reminder--because its easy to lose sight of this 2 years out and there's some people in this thread who might not remember this.

                                          The special counsel investigation started because Trump in 2017 refused to accept evidence presented to him by his intelligence agencies that Russia interfered in the 2016 election + publicly rebuked them for reaching this conclusion. Then met with the FBI director in charge of investigating Russian interference and demanded a pledge of personal loyalty. Then fired the FBI director when he refused. Than met with Russians in the oval office and told them: "the pressure's off" + did a televised interview where he publicly claimed he fired the FBI director because the Russia investigation was bothering him.

                                          In some sense we know today what we knew 2 years ago. That being:

                                          The President is either a fucking moron, or completely compromised by the Russians.

                                          What everyone thinking the collusion narrative was a slam dunk may have missed is just how small and stupid Trump really is (i.e. what in any other public figure would have been conduct that could only indicate consciousness of guilt + attempts to conceal criminal wrongdoing, for Trump, was just his regular course-of-conduct to lie pathologically about everything + lash out at someone he perceived as personally slighting him. And he did this heedless of how it looked or what kind of legal exposure he was opening himself up to because--well--fucking moron)

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