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    #21
    Originally posted by A New Soul View Post

    td;lr it for me
    Whats the solution for it?
    Cut back on carbon emissions and hope the planet is able to cycle out all the CO2 we've dumped in the atmosphere.

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      #22
      Originally posted by Cid View Post

      Cut back on carbon emissions
      What would that require?

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        #23
        Originally posted by A New Soul View Post

        What would that require?
        Mostly just changing over to clean renewable energy sources wherever possible and making use of Nuclear energy over coal and oil.

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          #24
          Originally posted by Post-Crisis Shob View Post

          And now Trump, really, really, doesn't know what he's doing. He's there as this sort of anti-hero, riding the public sentiment that government is "broken."

          But in a democracy, the people are the government. so "broken government" really just means "people suck."

          And Trump is, sadly, a perpetuation of the very conditions that put him into office.
          I truly apologize if I'm, personally, misunderstanding the statement in bold; however, could it be that you're under the notion, or impression that we- the American people, live and co-exist in a Democracy of any sorts- regardless it be Direct or Representative.
          I might just be in the wrong, and clearly expressing confusion over a simple over-simplification of a particular component enshrined in Democracy; however, if that's truly not the case, then I'm afraid to notify you that we serve under a Constitutional Republic that might hold democratic processes- Elections to be both specific and relevant to this thread in particular, but are limited by checks and balances in our Executive/Legislative/Judicial Branches- that's a primary reason why we still uphold the Electorate College, even with its flaws and down-comes, it serves its purpose to prevent the Majority from governing over the liberties and unalienable rights of the American people- lest not revoke the Voice and Power over the Minority, as they strive in a Mobocracy, or in a far more tyrannical regime or governance.
          We might have long since ebbed further away from our Constitutional Republic- if the extent of corruption, and lack of transparency over the course of this century alone has any validity- whether it be within our own government, its separate branches and what extends from it, and the corrupt, deplorable politicians/lobbyists that hold chairs over the course of all these long years; however, no one has dropped dead and declared that we- the American people, would now serve under a Democracy of any sorts.
          Just as we might have stilted away from a healthy, productive Capitalism and bathed in a reprehensible, defective carcass of what it once was and shouldn't have ever been- that being Crony-Capitalism, we haven't done away with Capitalism and utterly embraced any other Economic Systems- such as Socialism or any of its ilk.
          Trump, by no means, is the knight in shining armor that just might return us back to the days where we stood proud and tall by our Constitutional Republic, but he, out of the trifecta of Hillary/Bernie/Jill, was the Less of Evils and Grotesqueries.
          Hillary was the epitome of corruption and depravity- her actions, or her lack thereof, alongside of her stupidity/ineptitude/wrongness have left only Death/Bloodshed and Suffering where ever she went- a true Heretic Amongst Crones and Grotesqueries when it comes to her crimes/sins.
          A two-faced crone that would have surely left us all- the American people, no less, in a strife perhaps far worse than ever imagined/expected- perhaps in known by history and text, nor by man.
          Bernie was a failed, weak, spineless candidate that didn't even have the guts nor testicles to actually stand on his own two feet, and express outrage that the DNC went out of its way to support Hillary by high and low- to any and all extents.
          He'd rather bend down/over- prostrate underneath filth upon filth, and support the very candidate who shamelessly robbed him of constituents and platform.
          That being Hillary Clinton, by the way.
          Jill Stein was a bumbling idiot who likes to shoot her own foot every single time that she opens her mouth to speak- people only ever began to express support when their options drew to Trump of Hillary on Election Day.
          Out of the three, I'd argue that Trump was the candidate more suited to fill the role as President of The United State of America.
          He's by no means perfect- his ego might be as inflated as that of a bird while attempting to mate with a female, but he was the candidate that didn't ooze:
          I'm-Filthier-Than-Filth-Itself, and that's saying something.
          I'm by no means in utter support of him as a perfect person to serve as our President; however, that doesn't mean that I'm against him, by no means.
          He has yet to enact in an order that I've felt the dire urgency to denounce or criticize as required.
          I'm rather optimistic- that just might be in my nature, but I'll leave it at that.
          I'll be observing with pristine care of his Presidency, and take notes of what I observe.
          If there's a moment where I, personally, acknowledge and recognize that he's going out of his reach of control/authority, then I'll be the first to critically analyze/assess/deconstruct and re-assemble/denounce and stand up against his actions/decisions- when such a moment comes in its full clarity and image.
          I can only hope that he, at the very least, attempts and succeeds in placing America's right foot a step closer into the right path.
          We'll have to wait and see, won't we? ^_^
          (I truly apologize for taking such a long time to write down this little response- I was eating and resting, after all!)

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            #25
            Originally posted by Mr.Sunshine View Post
            Trump, by no means, is the knight in shining armor that just might return us back to the days where we stood proud and tall by our Constitutional Republic, but he, out of the trifecta of Hillary/Bernie/Jill, was the Less of Evils and Grotesqueries.

            Bernie was a failed, weak, spineless candidate that didn't even have the guts nor testicles to actually stand on his own two feet, and express outrage that the DNC went out of its way to support Hillary by high and low- to any and all extents.
            I dare say that you probably don't know what you're talking about here, Mana.

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              #26
              Hillary would have been our Queen Elizabeth

              Ironic really but IDGAF because I'm a Muslim Russian so lol at you whites and inner city blacks

              We have nothing against Mexos for the record <3 u Helly

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                #27
                Originally posted by dan View Post
                Hillary would have been our Queen Elizabeth
                I wasn't aware that Queen Elizabeth was a corrupt warmonger that was directly responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent lives.

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by Cid View Post

                  I dare say that you probably don't know what you're talking about here, Mana.
                  Is that so?
                  If that's the case, feel free to clarify everything that I might have mischaracterized/misunderstood, or erroneously concluded, Cid.
                  I would very much appreciate it, Cid. ^_^

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by Mr.Sunshine View Post

                    Is that so?
                    If that's the case, feel free to clarify everything that I might have mischaracterized/misunderstood, or erroneously concluded, Cid.
                    I would very much appreciate it, Cid. ^_^
                    Bernie fought to the very end. You shouldn't mistake his willingness to endorse Clinton as spinelessness. In fact, on more than one occasion he called Clinton out DESPITE the fact the DNC was threatening him throughout the entire campaign. He did express outrage at what the DNC did, in fact he demanded the resignation of the DNC Chairwoman after all the dirt and corruption came out... And he got it. The man even refused to tell his supporters to vote for Clinton, despite repeated threats from the DNC party to do as such after he lost the nomination. Up until the day before the election he consistently told voters to vote not on a party line, but to vote their conscious and vote for the candidate who they thought was the best choice.

                    Furthermore, he endorsed Clinton because he saw that she was the safer pick than Trump. We all know he didn't think too highly of Hillary, after all he even blatantly said that she wasn't qualified to be president. But on the other hand, Trump was even less qualified.

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                    • Mr.Sunshine
                      Mr.Sunshine commented
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                      I see.
                      How I saw it, it was through his endorsement of Clinton and his seemingly inability to wrestle control from the voting population- in terms of actually having a voice of his own and establishing order and authority in his own rallies, that cemented his spinelessness/weakness for me.
                      That signaled weakness and wishy-washiness, to me, to be quite frank with you.
                      I personally didn't see Bernie's lash against the DNC as a sign of being unyielding and outraged.
                      That seemed to be on the lines of slapping someone's wrist.
                      It seemed to be on the lines of:
                      Bad, DNC! Bad! You should have known better to do such a thing!
                      Ultimately, as of what I've heard, she still conserves a job and all, so it was a moot point and it truly didn't matter in the slightest- the DNC is just as corrupt as how it was before she resigned.
                      Anyways, now that everything has been cleared and explained, I offer my gratitude in a wordy fashion. <3

                    #30
                    I've officially decided.

                    The new "thanks Obama" will be "damn it Donald".

                    Spread the word, denizens of T5!

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                      #31
                      So is this just going to be 4 straight years of Trump and his team crying about the media being mean? Seriously who the fuck cares?

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                        #32
                        Originally posted by EnemyOfDaState View Post
                        So is this just going to be 4 straight years of Trump and his team crying about the media being mean?
                        ...Yep...

                        His strategy is to so de-legitimatize what the media does by responding with "alternate facts" (i.e. what use to be called falsehoods) any time they report negatively on him, that he can basically do whatever-the-fuck he wants at all times or just do nothing at all.

                        ...And whether its something as petty as the size of the crowd that turned out of his inauguration or as major as our relationships with Europe and Asia....

                        There will be such a cloud of doubt and confusion over every account of what hes doing, that in any given situation half the country will automatically go: "there's that lamestream media again, trying to stop this great President from making america great again!"

                        Its what happens when you put a truly amoral, apolitical figure who's only background is in sales and self-promotion in high office.

                        And absolutely none of this should be surprising to anyone. This was all flagged by how he conducted himself during the campaign.

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                          #33
                          Well Donald Trump said he was gonna get shit done and he actually got shit done. He caused people in Washington to riot like animals and just go crazy just by him officially becoming president.

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                            #34
                            Originally posted by Post-Crisis Shob View Post

                            ...Yep...

                            His strategy is to so de-legitimatize what the media does by responding with "alternate facts" (i.e. what use to be called falsehoods) any time they report negatively on him, that he can basically do whatever-the-fuck he wants at all times or just do nothing at all.

                            ...And whether its something as petty as the size of the crowd that turned out of his inauguration or as major as our relationships with Europe and Asia....

                            There will be such a cloud of doubt and confusion over every account of what hes doing, that in any given situation half the country will automatically go: "there's that lamestream media again, trying to stop this great President from making america great again!"

                            Its what happens when you put a truly amoral, apolitical figure who's only background is in sales and self-promotion in high office.

                            And absolutely none of this should be surprising to anyone. This was all flagged by how he conducted himself during the campaign.
                            It will make it all the more hilarious when these same people wake up one day and are paying higher taxes and making less money and can't figure out the reason why.

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                              #35
                              Originally posted by Cid View Post
                              I've officially decided.

                              The new "thanks Obama" will be "damn it Donald".

                              Spread the word, denizens of T5!
                              that's not sarcastic like Thanks Obama was though

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                                #36
                                First (official) order of business: R.I.P., NAFTA. While I see the cons, I also see the pros. That's why I'm gonna hold off on judgement until/unless an adverse side effect is immediate.
                                Last edited by Lord L'Zoril; January 23rd, 2017, 04:54 PM.

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                                  #37
                                  Originally posted by Darkseeker1379 View Post
                                  Well Donald Trump said he was gonna get shit done and he actually got shit done. He caused people in Washington to riot like animals and just go crazy just by him officially becoming president.
                                  Video of the riot? if there is one, that is.

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                                    #38
                                    Even now; we're beginning to see the international consequences of what a world where Donald Trump is America and America is Donald Trump looks like. And I said similar tings about how Obama opened the door for other actors to step up when we fell down; but Obama at least had diplomatic and moral leadership on the worldstage, if not the best mind for military strategy or appreciation when dealing with Putin and the Middle East.

                                    Trump is unprepared to lead on all fronts, and the rest of the world isn't blind to it.

                                    The G8 summit (basically a gathering of all the most powerful players in the world economy) held their latest economic forum in Davos, Switzerland. Discussing the 2017 agenda for the world economy.

                                    Protectionism, Globalization, Trade, Development, Migration, and Technology were all on the agenda.

                                    The American delegation--traditionally the central power player that sets the tone for the meeting--was unable to articulate where the new president stood on any point of policy or set forth any new proposals for items on the agenda. Whereafter President Xi Xinping of China assumed the mantle of leadership, took to the podium, and set forth his vision for a "growing and open global economy" with expanding Asian markets and the Chinese economic model as "...leaders for our times."

                                    ...and that is now the official G8 agendat for the G8 2017...

                                    Every first wold economy walked away from that meeting with a sense that there is no longer any value in building relationships with the United States or following America's capitalist/democratic model of economic and political organization; America has no vision, is not a reliable strategic partner, and the American model is a recipe for dysfunction and failure. They should instead be pivoting to Asia; China is growing. China is leading. China has the working model and the vision for prosperity in the 21st century.

                                    All the Trumpanzees that were so worked up that America is "losing" to China, and expected The Donald to clutch out a win???

                                    He just forfeited in the fourth quarter.
                                    Last edited by Post-Crisis Shob; January 23rd, 2017, 05:00 PM.

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                                      #39
                                      Originally posted by Flame Saber View Post

                                      Video of the riot? if there is one, that is.
                                      I got you. Here you go. People were going crazy.

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                                        #40
                                        Originally posted by Darkseeker1379 View Post

                                        I got you. Here you go. People were going crazy.
                                        ALTERNATIVE FACTS: This was the most bigly popular presidential opening weekend in history. It was such an amazing success, even the protests were HUUUUUGEE!!!
                                        Last edited by Post-Crisis Shob; January 23rd, 2017, 05:10 PM.

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