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    #61
    I think it's a right for certain people as long as their safe(which is debatable I guess?)..but I feel like there's a form of fear and paranoia the way people act with needing weapons to protect themselves on a mass level, it's probably local deterrence in some way right? Always kinda has been to be armed, in any era. I think it's scary when we can't trace each individual nut who might snap though.. I assume we need a better multi faceted measurement of ones right to be socially safe with fire arms, aside from legal records and mental health? Unless you think we haven't gone deep enough into people's business, that's always touchy.

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      #62
      Originally posted by -Person- View Post

      think about that for a second dude, this guy was a millionaire he plenty of options to kill a bunch of people just like you said, but he didnt any of that.He got a bunch of guns then opened.Paddock was isnt alone in guns being his perfered method, he is one of hundreds of mass shooters.

      America has a lone sicko shooting up public places problem. Like we've talked about before there are a lot of ways to kill a person, but the method that is consistently being is used is firearms. Not car bombs,trucks,hitmen,knives,arrows or just about anything else. This is a gun problem no matter how you slice it.
      Once you get rid of guns as their main method for mass killing they'll move on to the next thing they can get their hands on and that might be more terrifying than guns. That is core of my point.


      Originally posted by -Person- View Post
      Regulations do have effects on reducing gun deaths
      harvard.edu/hicrc/f...308132924.htmhttps://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.cd02be2fc74b

      The slipperly slope argument is pointless imo. Its like saying that if we enforce traffic laws that we'll slide into taking everyone's cars away so we shouldnt have any traffic regulation. There are reasonable rules and practices that can be put in to address gun violence.
      it doesnt have to be all or nothing.
      America is uniquely different from other countries because we have guns as part of our bill of rights and that complicates matters. What further complicates matters is the advancement of guns and the new technologies coming out for them. So it is not as easy as just passing a sweeping ban everything or bad everything that does X number of things.


      Originally posted by -Person- View Post
      The over saturation and lack of regulation of guns is a real issue.Mental health and crime are real issues too, but I believe that we can address them as well as the gun problem especially since theyre so often connected. America's gun deaths arent a normal thing that happens in other developed countries.

      Yes the lack of regulations is a big issue and it does need to be addressed but it can't be just that. It has to be more than that. Or else we are going to get another tragedy with many dead and something or someone else (like ISIS) to be blamed.

      When a millionaire with no clear affiliation with any extreme group decides to just murder people in cold blood then we got a bigger issue in society than just some lax/broken gun laws. No matter how much regulating, red tape you put, him being a millionaire wouldn't have kept him away from doing this. There is clearly a bigger problem here that needs to be discovered and addressed as well.

      So I am with you about fixing up the gun laws but that wont' stop the next millionaire who wants hordes of people dead. This is a sign of something bigger going on, something more troubling in society.

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        #63
        Originally posted by Oneiros View Post

        Yet another person who doesn't realize that while guns being readily available somewhat exacerbates the issue, they are not the root cause. If someone wants to kill a whole bunch of people, they will and stricter gun laws won't obstruct them. It's really not that hard to understand. What we should be doing is looking into the psychoses of these mass-murderer types, so as to launch a preemptive strike.
        it will make it really fucking hard to though. When something is illegal, it's costs of it to skyrocket. Pretty sure your average Joe couldn't afford a $100,000 modded AR-15. You don't really see people shooting up European or Asian countries that often right?

        I don't think all guns should be banned since not only is that impossible, there are circumstances when a gun would be handy/necessary (a 240 pound crazed rapist won't be stopped by some pepper spray.)

        They just need regulation. Like cars. If guns had the regulation that cars have nobody could complain, and we'd be much better for it.

        Incentives gun trading ( Get cash for trading in your gun tax breaks, interests,) need a license like you need one to drive a car, background checks, psych evaluations, limit of 6-7 guns per person, with a limit on ammo. Maybe design a device that makes guns ceasefire when entering a pass code or something.

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          #64
          Originally posted by Zemoco View Post

          it will make it really fucking hard to though. When something is illegal, it's costs of it to skyrocket. Pretty sure your average Joe couldn't afford a $100,000 modded AR-15. You don't really see people shooting up European or Asian countries that often right?

          I don't think all guns should be banned since not only is that impossible, there are circumstances when a gun would be handy/necessary (a 240 pound crazed rapist won't be stopped by some pepper spray.)

          They just need regulation. Like cars. If guns had the regulation that cars have nobody could complain, and we'd be much better for it.

          Incentives gun trading ( Get cash for trading in your gun tax breaks, interests,) need a license like you need one to drive a car, background checks, psych evaluations, limit of 6-7 guns per person, with a limit on ammo. Maybe design a device that makes guns ceasefire when entering a pass code or something.
          True *hits a joint that I rolled from a $10 dime bag*

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            #65
            Originally posted by Zemoco View Post
            They just need regulation. Like cars. If guns had the regulation that cars have nobody could complain, and we'd be much better for it.

            Incentives gun trading ( Get cash for trading in your gun tax breaks, interests,) need a license like you need one to drive a car, background checks, psych evaluations, limit of 6-7 guns per person, with a limit on ammo. Maybe design a device that makes guns ceasefire when entering a pass code or something.
            There is regulation for guns and probably as much as there is for cars. Folks want more regulations than that. The problem is how vast guns are and having to put regulations for each category of guns and their wide range of rounds. For cars you get basically a sweeping set of regulations that fits all cars but you can't do the same with guns.

            There are licenses for conceal carry and open carry but not all states require either or both. Some just focus on handguns and nothing else. Limiting the number of guns a person can own will just outrage the community because there are collectors. The same with limiting ammo.

            Smart guns though would be neat but I don't see how they'll prevent mass shootings. It'll just stop a kid from shooting themselves in the face.

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              #66
              Originally posted by Kajin_Style View Post

              There is regulation for guns and probably as much as there is for cars. Folks want more regulations than that. The problem is how vast guns are and having to put regulations for each category of guns and their wide range of rounds. For cars you get basically a sweeping set of regulations that fits all cars but you can't do the same with guns.
              I doubt that,

              there isnt even a federal requirement for liscenses to buy or own guns . Every car on the street also has must of a license plate number that gives info on where it was bought and who owns it. There are also plenty of vehicles that are illegal to own or drive in public. There are tests test that all drivers must take to prove that theyre aware of road laws and can safely opperate a car.

              There are also plenty of different regulations applied to different vehicles like trucks or motocycles.

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                #67
                Originally posted by -Person- View Post
                I doubt that,

                there isnt even a federal requirement for liscenses to buy or own guns . Every car on the street also has must of a license plate number that gives info on where it was bought and who owns it. There are also plenty of vehicles that are illegal to own or drive in public. There are tests test that all drivers must take to prove that theyre aware of road laws and can safely opperate a car.

                There are also plenty of different regulations applied to different vehicles like trucks or motocycles.
                You don't need a license to buy and own a car. You need a license to drive a car. Every gun also must have a serial number otherwise it is illegal. There are stricter laws for machine guns, automatic weapons, short barrel rifles, and so on. There is firearm training and certifications but no there is no federal license to operate a gun as this would go against the Bill of Rights completely because with licenses you can revoke them. Gun handling courses, safety tests, etc, etc won't prevent mass shootings, it'll prevent accidental shootings.

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                  #68
                  Originally posted by Kajin_Style View Post

                  You don't need a license to buy and own a car. You need a license to drive a car. Every gun also must have a serial number otherwise it is illegal. There are stricter laws for machine guns, automatic weapons, short barrel rifles, and so on. There is firearm training and certifications but no there is no federal license to operate a gun as this would go against the Bill of Rights completely because with licenses you can revoke them. Gun handling courses, safety tests, etc, etc won't prevent mass shootings, it'll prevent accidental shootings.
                  You get the idea tho.Since gun regulation is mostly left up to states there are regions of the country where just about anyone can buy and opperate it legally, while the same cant really be said for cars which is insane imo.

                  nothing will absolutly prevent mass shootings and thats not really the point of the post I made earlier. Preventing accidental gun deaths(especially of children),gun related suicides,homicides ect. are all necessary reasons to enforce stricter regulation

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                      #70
                      make sure to vote



                      Originally posted by RussianCoffeeAddict;n524194
                      Racism is a “major issue” only because some people want it to be.

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                        #71
                        Shall not be infringed.

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                          #72
                          We need it. If you ever go to a gun range and see the people allowed to carry guns you no longer wonder why shooting stats is so high.
                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j5Frq4gbHY

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                            #73
                            Originally posted by 40 acres View Post
                            We need it. If you ever go to a gun range and see the people allowed to carry guns you no longer wonder why shooting stats is so high.
                            Of the 30,000 gun deaths per year, 2/3rds of them are Suicides, Accidents and Justifiable Homicides...

                            ...and of the 10,000 unjustified homicides, 88% are gang-related and drug-trafficking related (committed mostly blacks and latinos)...

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                              #74
                              Allowed, but regulated like cars are. Have to get a license and go through a 2 week course. Psych evaluations, etc. safety features like fingerprint scans on guns and maybe Face ID features (You register your kids, spouse, or any number of people, and if the guns senses that one or the other is in the way it won't fire.).

                              You can also have a fingerprint scan that allows it to NEVER fire for certain people (Example if this ever gets widespread, police can disable guns in a vicinity for 1 hour.)

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                                #75
                                Originally posted by Zemoco View Post
                                (Example if this ever gets widespread, police can disable guns in a vicinity for 1 hour.)
                                Probably not a good idea. You can't really make anything hack-proof. We've tried and someone always breaks it. You really want a feature that could allow a criminal to disable all firearms in an area?

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                                  #76
                                  Originally posted by Cid View Post

                                  Probably not a good idea. You can't really make anything hack-proof. We've tried and someone always breaks it. You really want a feature that could allow a criminal to disable all firearms in an area?
                                  Well it wouldn't be readily available. I see your point though.

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                                    #77
                                    We need more gun control. People with criminal records or mental illnesses shouldn't be allowed to purchase firearms.

                                    That wouldn't have stopped the big Stephen Paddock shooting, nobody could foresee an otherwise sane individual suddenly deciding that he wanted to go out as the most evil murdering bastard of all time, but it would have stopped the most recent shooting in the synagogue.

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                                      #78
                                      The long and short is that I'm never going to public places because gun control or not there will always be gun violence

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