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  • Wade
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    Originally posted by One of Them View Post
    I'm sorry to say I'm not familiar with the game
    Put it this way. Protech is better at Starcraft 1 and Starcraft 2 than Roger Federer is at Tennis.

    As I said, I've watched over 300 of Protech's Master/Grand Master level games, and I've never seen him make a mistake legitimately worth criticizing. There is literally no room for improvement in his game.

    Even the fact he can maintain 300 to 450 average actions per minute in a 15 minutes game is ridiculous, but he plays that way every game, and 99% of his actions are not spam, they are actually calculated strategic, tactical, economical actions with no wasted effort and no mistakes.

    I can't even begin to suggest a way to defeat him without map hacking, and even the next best player can never beat him except by map hacking.

    Even if you map hack, you are not guaranteed to beat Protech, he could still overwhelm you with pure knowledge and APM power.


    and protech is actually even better at Starcraft 1 than he is at Starcraft 2. I've seen Protech 1vs2 two A+ players in Starcraft 1.

    I am a C+ player at STarcraft 1, but I have managed to defeat an A+ player on a few occasions, I also defeated Gretorp on two occasions and he was a professional gamer at about that time...but Protech can 1vs2 against A+ players. It's ridiculous how good he is at Broodwar. He should have gone pro in Broodwar (starcraft 1) and beat the Koreans, but he's more interested in Starcraft 2 actually, but he's unbeatable at Starcraft 1 too.

    G5 beat Boxer who was allegedly the best Starcraft 1 player ever, but Protech is actually better than Boxer or G5 at their peaks. The average Korean Pro is a 5th standard deviation player, same a Starcraft 2, boxer is probably a 6th Standard Devaition player. G5 and Protech are 7th Standard Deviation players.

    I used to play 3vs3 with Gretorp and G5 as my allies. We won every game we ever played together except one game. Even though they were both 1vs1 specialists, we had 3vs3 figured out ot the point we could beat anybody within 5 minutes flat....watch the opponent lay their first structure or two with your SCV scout, and predict their build blind and then just counter it, and game over. It was funny as hell.


    Pure Legacy is a 5th Standard Deviation player who map hacks, so he can beat Protech sometimes when map hacking. So every season when "somebody" appears who starts to win a few games against protech, protech has to research the replay files and prove it's another PureLegacy clone account....the cheater buys the game again every season after he gets banned again, and map hacks and plays the game map hacking again. When map hacking, PureLegacy is a seventh standard deviation player; that's how big of a difference map hacking makes...about two entire leagues worth of skill gaps is represneted by map hacking

    Other then Purelegacy, nobody wins any games against Protech unless Protech is paired with a hopelessly pathetic Gold League ally, even then Protech might solo two Masters league players by himself.
    Last edited by Wade; August 6th, 2019, 12:40 AM.

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  • One of Them
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    Originally posted by Lord L'Zoril View Post
    It's not. Presumably, neither you nor your friends have the capability or the talent to play pro 'ball. I do enjoy playing when I can, yes, but I also enjoy watching people whose literal career path is playing sports at the highest level doing their thing. The appeal is there, whether you want to admit to it or not.
    Like I said before, I can't watch strangers compete in games that I do like, pro or otherwise. It's not fun. I just don't see it.

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  • Lord L'Zoril
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    It's not. Presumably, neither you nor your friends have the capability or the talent to play pro 'ball. I do enjoy playing when I can, yes, but I also enjoy watching people whose literal career path is playing sports at the highest level doing their thing. The appeal is there, whether you want to admit to it or not.
    Last edited by Lord L'Zoril; August 5th, 2019, 02:37 PM.

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  • One of Them
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    Originally posted by Wade View Post

    ProTech is definitely the best player in the world. There are only a few "Random" Grand Masters, including one of the developers of the game, and PureLegacy, but PureLegacy is a map hacker and gets banned every season.

    The korean "MC" was known to "race swap" between Terran and Protoss on occasion, Allegedly he played both races at Grand Master skill level, but I never actually saw him play Terran in a real tournament. he retired anyway, so he no longer counts. I've seen about of 100 or so of ProTech's games as each race, so probably 300 games I've watched of him, and he understands the game far beyond any other Professional player. he can explain exactly why he does everything in the game in every detail, as he's doing it, which most professional gamers cannot explain their actions after the fact.

    Also in 2v2 there are like 20 times as many combat unit combinations to master, and ProTech knows exactly what to do no matter what the opponents are doing. He has a precise plan of action no matter how the game unfolds, and his execution is flawless.

    I've never seen Protech "Over-train" any unit besides Phoenixes, but he even won that game with nothing but pure Phoenixes and a few zealots, so he was never punished for it. He killed one player's entire economy with a Phoenix rush, and that player quit, then the other player counter attacked with a full army including archons, and Protech microed his Phoenixes and killed the entire army. So he wasn't punished anyway.


    ProTech plays at about 300 average actions per minute for an entire game, and plays about 400 to 450 average actions per minute during the climax of the game. He's also one of the few professsional gamers who never spams keys, so his actions per minute is a good gauge of his real rate of play.
    I'm sorry to say I'm not familiar with the game

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  • One of Them
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    Originally posted by EnemyOfDaState View Post
    You as a grown man (and i'm assuming with average/below average physical abilities) is going to join a football league and fight in a catch match..... alright pimp. The fact that sports (just in NA) are a $100 billion dollar industry capable of supporting countless dedicated sports channels and single handedly revitalizing cities (see Sacramento after the Kings moved into their downtown) says otherwise.
    Playing in an extravagant league with millions of viewers is the only option? You play where you can, but you may play regardless

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  • EnemyOfDaState
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    Originally posted by One of Them View Post
    Join a team? Apply for matches? I would have said that I just don't like sports but the thing is that even as a gamer, I can never get through watching a playthrough or a match between strangers playing games I like either. I apply this to board games as well; air hockey, etc. The fun is in playing, not watching. So I guess I stick by the original statement.

    Incomparable

    It seems to me that you stopped enjoying watching the game itself and now just want to follow the journey of a specific player.
    You as a grown man (and i'm assuming with average/below average physical abilities) is going to join a football league and fight in a catch match..... alright pimp. The fact that sports (just in NA) are a $100 billion dollar industry capable of supporting countless dedicated sports channels and single handedly revitalizing cities (see Sacramento after the Kings moved into their downtown) says otherwise.

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  • Wade
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    Sorry, I don't mean to be intentionally hogging the blog, but it is my off day from work, so I have nothing better to do than sit around replying to every post.

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  • Wade
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    Originally posted by One of Them View Post
    Join a team? Apply for matches? I would have said that I just don't like sports but the thing is that even as a gamer, I can never get through watching a playthrough or a match between strangers playing games I like either. I apply this to board games as well; air hockey, etc. The fun is in playing, not watching. So I guess I stick by the original statement.

    Incomparable

    It seems to me that you stopped enjoying watching the game itself and now just want to follow the journey of a specific player.
    ProTech is definitely the best player in the world. There are only a few "Random" Grand Masters, including one of the developers of the game, and PureLegacy, but PureLegacy is a map hacker and gets banned every season.

    The korean "MC" was known to "race swap" between Terran and Protoss on occasion, Allegedly he played both races at Grand Master skill level, but I never actually saw him play Terran in a real tournament. he retired anyway, so he no longer counts. I've seen about of 100 or so of ProTech's games as each race, so probably 300 games I've watched of him, and he understands the game far beyond any other Professional player. he can explain exactly why he does everything in the game in every detail, as he's doing it, which most professional gamers cannot explain their actions after the fact.

    Also in 2v2 there are like 20 times as many combat unit combinations to master, and ProTech knows exactly what to do no matter what the opponents are doing. He has a precise plan of action no matter how the game unfolds, and his execution is flawless.

    I've never seen Protech "Over-train" any unit besides Phoenixes, but he even won that game with nothing but pure Phoenixes and a few zealots, so he was never punished for it. He killed one player's entire economy with a Phoenix rush, and that player quit, then the other player counter attacked with a full army including archons, and Protech microed his Phoenixes and killed the entire army. So he wasn't punished anyway.


    ProTech plays at about 300 average actions per minute for an entire game, and plays about 400 to 450 average actions per minute during the climax of the game. He's also one of the few professsional gamers who never spams keys, so his actions per minute is a good gauge of his real rate of play.
    Last edited by Wade; August 5th, 2019, 09:45 AM.

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  • One of Them
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    Originally posted by EnemyOfDaState
    Never got this logic, how are you going to assemble 44 (minimum) people and play a game of tackle football? Who are you cage fighting? The appeal of sports is watching the greatest athletes in the world compete against each other, you don't have to enjoy it but the appeal is obvious.
    Join a team? Apply for matches? I would have said that I just don't like sports but the thing is that even as a gamer, I can never get through watching a playthrough or a match between strangers playing games I like either. I apply this to board games as well; air hockey, etc. The fun is in playing, not watching. So I guess I stick by the original statement.

    Originally posted by Lord L'Zoril
    May as well never watch movies, listen to songs, or read books either then. You could be creating them yourself.
    Incomparable

    Originally posted by Wade
    Some people watch every major Starcraft Tournament. I used to watch maybe one or two professional matches per month. Now I only watch one or two professional matches per year. Protech is reallly the best player, but he doesn't play 1vs1 he got bored with it. He plays 2vs2. He's beaten some of the best 1vs1 specialists in 1vs1 and especially 2vs2 so I know he's the best player. The 1vs1 Pros are 5 standard deviation players, but Protech is a 7 standard deviation player So he's as far beyond other Grand Masters as they are beyond Diamond players, two leagues below them..

    I've seen Protech 1vs2 against two Master's League players while his Gold league ally did nothing....and win th egame, which is insane. I can't last more than 5 minutes against a Masters League player.
    It seems to me that you stopped enjoying watching the game itself and now just want to follow the journey of a specific player.

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  • Wade
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    Originally posted by One of Them View Post
    I dunno, maybe there is no such competition as of yet that is entertaining enough to be enjoyed as a spectator alone. I rather play myself than watch strangers do it unless I were gambling or something
    Some people watch every major Starcraft Tournament. I used to watch maybe one or two professional matches per month. Now I only watch one or two professional matches per year. Protech is reallly the best player, but he doesn't play 1vs1 he got bored with it. He plays 2vs2. He's beaten some of the best 1vs1 specialists in 1vs1 and especially 2vs2 so I know he's the best player. The 1vs1 Pros are 5 standard deviation players, but Protech is a 7 standard deviation player So he's as far beyond other Grand Masters as they are beyond Diamond players, two leagues below them..

    I've seen Protech 1vs2 against two Master's League players while his Gold league ally did nothing....and win th egame, which is insane. I can't last more than 5 minutes against a Masters League player.
    Last edited by Wade; August 5th, 2019, 06:37 AM.

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  • Wade
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    Protech plays "Random" so he is a Grand Master of all three races, if that makes anyone more impressed with my earlier post.

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  • Lord L'Zoril
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    Originally posted by One of Them View Post
    I dunno, maybe there is no such competition as of yet that is entertaining enough to be enjoyed as a spectator alone. I rather play myself than watch strangers do it unless I were gambling or something
    May as well never watch movies, listen to songs, or read books either then. You could be creating them yourself.

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  • EnemyOfDaState
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    Originally posted by One of Them View Post
    I dunno, maybe there is no such competition as of yet that is entertaining enough to be enjoyed as a spectator alone. I rather play myself than watch strangers do it unless I were gambling or something
    Never got this logic, how are you going to assemble 44 (minimum) people and play a game of tackle football? Who are you cage fighting? The appeal of sports is watching the greatest athletes in the world compete against each other, you don't have to enjoy it but the appeal is obvious.

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  • One of Them
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    Originally posted by EnemyOfDaState View Post
    Lol at legit not understanding the appeal of competition . You guys never fail to make me laugh.
    I dunno, maybe there is no such competition as of yet that is entertaining enough to be enjoyed as a spectator alone. I rather play myself than watch strangers do it unless I were gambling or something

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  • Wade
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    I sometimes watch Starcraft 2 tournaments. But the best player is a 2vs2 specialist who goes by the screen name "ProTech". His Match Maker Rating in 2vs2 is in the seventh standard deviation, which is ridiculous. he is always ranked number 1 in the world.

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  • EnemyOfDaState
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    Originally posted by One of Them View Post
    Never understood why people were ever into watching sports either
    Lol at legit not understanding the appeal of competition . You guys never fail to make me laugh.

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  • Lord L'Zoril
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    That's... depressing. Though, I suppose I brought it on myself, uncharacteristically giving people credit so willy-nilly. I won't make that mistake again. :I

  • Ziku
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    Originally posted by One of Them
    Never understood why people were ever into watchingsports either
    The only sensible thing said here outside of OP.

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  • #83.6666666667
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    Originally posted by Lord L'Zoril View Post
    Fornite just completed its """World Cup.""" And despite having (even) less athleticism than the Women's World Cup, people actually watched this garbage. Kys, lol.
    I watch R6S games, problem?

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  • Louay
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    Originally posted by OrganizationXV View Post

    I just looked it up, and apparently it was originally supposed to be a survival game, so you wanted to build a fort by night time. Also they were working on it for like seven or eight years, lol
    Yeah, the battle royale mode is just an add-on to the original Fortnite, that became infinitely more popular than the main game after PUBG came about.

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