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I am curious can people tell the difference between pandering and a great story that is progressive

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    I am curious can people tell the difference between pandering and a great story that is progressive

    I honestly don't think they can. Shows have become pretty unwatchable. They pretty much get heavily written with progressive tropes and gets praised as great stories. But in actuality, they are trash and the people who praise the show usually don't even look at the genre lol.

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    People thought game of thrones was good which is more unbelievable than anything.

    They really tried their hardest to pander to the mid-age incest lovers and dragon fuckers.

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      #3
      That's the thing, right? A story can become controversial to literally anyone whether or not it's pandering to a specific audience for a specific kind of empowerment or addressing of certain issues. So why not just sacrifice the bullshit cock-sucking of political correctness to make something good and just take the brunt of what you would take anyway with the former?

      It's true that the writers' imagination is the limit, but you have to wonder with that kind of freedom of expression at their disposal, what's their excuse for not doing literally anything to adjust the story to work within itself? Consistency seems to be the biggest issue, especially with adaptations that stray from the original source. When you have a universe with laws engraved in its world, you gotta stick with that, and if you're gonna change it, show us some progression as to how it changes and have it make sense. On top of that, at least try to maintain the quality that was already there if it ever was. In other words, respect what was already there before you make it your own.

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        #4
        Progressive writers can't write good stories, news at 11
        Originally posted by Kajin_Style ;n513566
        Why should I even give a damn that some faggot is being stoned to death in another country?

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          #5
          Originally posted by DokTOR. View Post
          Progressive writers can't write good stories, news at 11
          doesn't dragon ball support race mixing

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            #6
            Originally posted by Aure0lin View Post

            doesn't dragon ball support race mixing
            So Yammer was a jew this entire time...

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              #7
              When the progressive elements are organic to the story, its good story. When the progressive elements are cynically shoehorned in as a branding ploy, its pandering.

              Whats the difference between 'organic' and 'cynically shoehorned in'?

              Its like: "whats the difference between art and pornography?"

              You can't precisely define it--but you know it when you see it.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Aure0lin View Post

                doesn't dragon ball support race mixing
                Race mixed children ended up as disappointments, you tell me
                Originally posted by Kajin_Style ;n513566
                Why should I even give a damn that some faggot is being stoned to death in another country?

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by DokTOR. View Post

                  Race mixed children ended up as disappointments, you tell me
                  yeah gohan is some disappointment, he actually cares about his children

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by DokTOR. View Post

                    Race mixed children ended up as disappointments, you tell me
                    You would know mutt.

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                      #11
                      Goku and Vegeta are LSNs though

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by DokTOR. View Post

                        Race mixed children ended up as disappointments, you tell me
                        Have you ever seen a blasian, oh shit wait, I forgot you're functionally asexual

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                          #13
                          I have it on good authority that hebrasians are next-level adorable

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                            #14
                            Does it matter? If a great story is pandering or progressive or some trump fan fic, does it matter as long as it is a great story?

                            If the writers can pander to an audience and people still consider it a great story, then it is a great story.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Kajin_Style View Post
                              trump fan fic
                              Does it still count if it's real life?

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                                #16
                                Originally posted by P408370R View Post
                                Does it still count if it's real life?
                                Nope! That's just bad fan fic.

                                I want something real and intense. Something that explains Trump's back story and what lead him down this crazy Bizarro world view he has. I want to see him weak and vulnerable; to see the promises he made to himself and those around. To hear about his traumas and trials and the nightmares that haunt. I want to know what lead him to his current world views, why he thinks this is the only way and why is his english is so god damn bad. I really want the author to sell me this fuckin' wall.

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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Kajin_Style View Post

                                  Nope! That's just bad fan fic.

                                  I want something real and intense. Something that explains Trump's back story and what lead him down this crazy Bizarro world view he has. I want to see him weak and vulnerable; to see the promises he made to himself and those around. To hear about his traumas and trials and the nightmares that haunt. I want to know what lead him to his current world views, why he thinks this is the only way and why is his english is so god damn bad. I really want the author to sell me this fuckin' wall.
                                  what you are talking about is a real story. It focuses on all aspects and doesn’t pander. Pandering is just illustrating all the good points of a targeted group and harp on them. A real story shows the dirt and still gets it point off. Whether the point is progressive or whatever doesn’t matter to the person entertained. They just want a good story.

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                                    #18
                                    Okay here's just some examples off the top of my head:



                                    Kill Bill; Volumes 1 and 2

                                    Cast of strong female leads. White Women, Asian Women, a Black Woman--women are front-and-center. "The Man" is the bad guy.

                                    Classic Movie. Great Story.

                                    Not Pandering.




                                    Boondock Saints

                                    The guy all the way on the right is hard-gay. There's a bedroom scene in the movie with him and his gay lover. Its not something they beat you ever the head with or ever come back to--its just in there and the movie is super casual about it like oh btw--this guys gay. Thats just a thing. Nothing worth making a big deal about or mentioning again. Carry on.

                                    Classic Movie. Great Story. Not pandering.






                                    ^^^

                                    Pandering.

                                    Empty, Vapid, Lazy, Cynical Pandering.

                                    Can't spell out the exact difference. But I know pandering when I see pandering. Thats pandering.



                                    Last edited by Post-Crisis Shob; June 6th, 2019, 09:36 AM.

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                                      #19
                                      Django is pandering and Django is a great movie, Tarantino straight up said he wanted to make a cowboy movie with a black lead so black parents had a cowboy movie to show their kids.

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                                        #20
                                        Shob hit the nail on the head. Diversity in and of itself isn’t a bad thing. It becomes a problem when people shill it for an agenda.

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