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    #41
    Originally posted by DokTOR. View Post
    You seem to be forgetting that the majority of the userbase comes from MvC, which was arguably just as vile as 4chan if not worse. Your userbase doesn't care about those words being used, demonstrated by the fact that we've been using slurs ironically and unironically since before T5 was even a thing. So let's be honest here, the website won't grow if you keep the same userbase. You can ban nigger and spic all you want, but the userbase will still remain as """toxic""" as ever. If the use of slurs puts off potential new users, then the general attitude of most members will do the exact same. It's a pointless change because banning slurs won't stop the existing userbase from being hostile.
    You and the three other people that want to use those slurs don't constitute the entirety of my userbase, Doc. I know this userbase much better than you ever will. I was an admin or moderator on MvC for damn near a decade. Racial slurs were never tolerated. Or have you forgotten the dozens of times that five people got upset they were banned for being racist shits and spammed porn and tried to hack accounts?

    And even if what you're claiming is true, you're telling me the users are hostile and toxic when in all reality the entirety of the toxic nature and hostility comes from you and a couple other members. Orgy isn't hostile or toxic, Chara isn't, Phobetor isn't, Shob isn't, Darkseeker isn't, Max isn't, I can go down the list and come up with 30 active members that aren't toxic. Even fucking Morpheus, as "hostile" as he can be in some circumstances, isn't toxic like you're claiming. You are in the minority here.

    So let me ask you again. From a business perspective. What's a smarter decision for me?

    Pander to the fragile sensibilities of a couple snowflakes just so they can say whatever they want without fear of bans... Or tell people not to use toxic language that is widely looked down upon by most of my users and most of the world in general? Which one is going to help me grow my site better?

    Originally posted by DokTOR. View Post
    Or, you know, you could just be honest and say the rules are there because you don't want the shit said on this website to be traced back to you if you ever get somewhere in your career. I still wouldn't agree with the change, but at least I'd respect the motivation behind it.
    Oh, I've already been honest about that on multiple occasions. It's just not a primary motivation.

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    • Flame Saber
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      A..Am I toxic or hostile?

    #42
    Originally posted by Cid View Post

    You and the three other people that want to use those slurs don't constitute the entirety of my userbase, Doc. I know this userbase much better than you ever will. I was an admin or moderator on MvC for damn near a decade. Racial slurs were never tolerated. Or have you forgotten the dozens of times that five people got upset they were banned for being racist shits and spammed porn and tried to hack accounts?

    And even if what you're claiming is true, you're telling me the users are hostile and toxic when in all reality the entirety of the toxic nature and hostility comes from you and a couple other members. Orgy isn't hostile or toxic, Chara isn't, Phobetor isn't, Shob isn't, Darkseeker isn't, Max isn't, I can go down the list and come up with 30 active members that aren't toxic. Even fucking Morpheus, as "hostile" as he can be in some circumstances, isn't toxic like you're claiming. You are in the minority here.

    So let me ask you again. From a business perspective. What's a smarter decision for me?

    Pander to the fragile sensibilities of a couple snowflakes just so they can say whatever they want without fear of bans... Or tell people not to use toxic language that is widely looked down upon by most of my users and most of the world in general? Which one is going to help me grow my site better?



    Oh, I've already been honest about that on multiple occasions. It's just not a primary motivation.
    Who's saying you shouldn't ban people for being racist or using slurs against other members? Go for it. The problem is banning slurs independent of context, especially when you're gonna have double standards about it and ban certain slurs but others are "okay" or you ban some members but others get passes. It's retarded period to ban people for using slurs in a non-derrogatory sense.

    Me, Pocket Rocket, Souls, Durden, Snap, Morph, Ziku, Max, Beholder, Marcus, Ran and so on are all regular members who could be classified as edgy. I meant "tocic" in the sense that all these members post edgy and non-PC things that would not be acceptable to the kind of sanitized T5 you're trying to create. You're simply wrong. Go into any thread and you'll find people in heated discussions and name-calling, the kind of hostile environment the general public doesn't really like. MvC was 4chan lite and so is T5.
    Originally posted by Kajin_Style ;n513566
    Why should I even give a damn that some faggot is being stoned to death in another country?

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      #43
      Originally posted by DokTOR. View Post
      Who's saying you shouldn't ban people for being racist or using slurs against other members? Go for it. The problem is banning slurs independent of context, especially when you're gonna have double standards about it and ban certain slurs but others are "okay" or you ban some members but others get passes. It's retarded period to ban people for using slurs in a non-derrogatory sense.
      This is just contradictory on your behalf. You're telling me not to ban every instance of it while simultaneously telling me to actually ban every instance of it.

      There's no double standards here. People with histories of abusing the rules get banned, people who don't have histories get warnings and infractions. Just as it has always been. But if it makes you feel any better, Phobetor and I are working on a comprehensive list of offenses and tying them to an appropriate punishment so that there's less wiggle room.

      Originally posted by DokTOR. View Post
      Me, Pocket Rocket, Souls, Durden, Snap, Morph, Ziku, Max, Beholder, Marcus, Ran and so on are all regular members who could be classified as edgy. I meant "tocic" in the sense that all these members post edgy and non-PC things that would not be acceptable to the kind of sanitized T5 you're trying to create. You're simply wrong. Go into any thread and you'll find people in heated discussions and name-calling, the kind of hostile environment the general public doesn't really like. MvC was 4chan lite and so is T5.
      Heated discussions and name calling happen all over the internet and off the internet. If it doesn't stop hundreds of millions of people from using twitter and facebook, it won't stop them from joining Take Five. In fact, I reckon it'll be more enticing since active and heated discussions attract people. Having racial slurs littering topics just because a small group of you think it's funny, however, is most definitely off putting.

      -edit-

      And before you try to excuse your behavior by saying that same toxicity exists on facebook and twitter and people still use them... Keep in mind that they are established and have millions of users that can very easily avoid the type of content they don't want to see and still have an active social experience. We don't have that here.
      Last edited by Cid; January 24th, 2019, 09:48 AM.

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        #44
        Originally posted by Cid View Post
        Heated discussions and name calling happen all over the internet and off the internet. If it doesn't stop hundreds of millions of people from using twitter and facebook, it won't stop them from joining Take Five. In fact, I reckon it'll be more enticing since active and heated discussions attract people. Having racial slurs littering topics just because a small group of you think it's funny, however, is most definitely off putting.
        That right there is what I hate most about the shit Doc and other "edgy" people post. They say this racial shit, they try to trigger people and when they do they run off laughing and yelling,"It is a joke bro! It's a joke!"

        It is disgusting and honestly should result in a harsh ban. It is one thing to be an asshole and be a legit racist. Hey it happens, live treats you like shit and you some how ended up as a racist. Fine, whatever I can accept that.

        However I can't accept a person who fakes it just to troll people and get a rise out of them. To intentionally be that malicious for shits and giggles reminds me of a person who tortures animals for fun. They are only doing it to hear someone wail in pain.

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        • DokTOR.
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          Nobody cares about what you think, you fake humanitarian lol

        #45
        Have it your way Cid. Banning slurs won't stop people from being subtly racist and it won't stop people insulting each other and it won't stop T5 from being a MvC refugee camp and 4chan lite. In a year's time it's more likely the site will have a less active user base than any members joining
        Originally posted by Kajin_Style ;n513566
        Why should I even give a damn that some faggot is being stoned to death in another country?

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          #46
          Originally posted by DokTOR. View Post
          Have it your way Cid. Banning slurs won't stop people from being subtly racist and it won't stop people insulting each other and it won't stop T5 from being a MvC refugee camp and 4chan lite. In a year's time it's more likely the site will have a less active user base than any members joining
          If that's the fate of this site, then so be it. I'd rather it die and be able to say I tried to do it right than have it limp on for a few years and allow it descend into being a cesspool.

          On the bright side, there's about 170,000 other words you can use to make your posts that don't have racist undertones. I'm sure you won't run out of things to say. (or bitch about)
          Last edited by Cid; January 24th, 2019, 10:05 AM.

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            #47
            Originally posted by Cid View Post

            -edit-

            And before you try to excuse your behavior by saying that same toxicity exists on facebook and twitter and people still use them... Keep in mind that they are established and have millions of users that can very easily avoid the type of content they don't want to see and still have an active social experience. We don't have that here.
            Thousands used mvc and thousands use 4chan lol
            Originally posted by Kajin_Style ;n513566
            Why should I even give a damn that some faggot is being stoned to death in another country?

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              #48
              Stop being a pussy, Snap. There is literally nothing wrong with advocating for genocide against subhumans (I.e. trannies, homos, weabs, and Helly).

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                #49
                Originally posted by DokTOR. View Post
                Thousands used mvc and thousands use 4chan lol
                Two established websites though? We don't have thousands of users, a high google page ranking, and enough general activity to attract tons of new people.

                When I joined moviecodec in 2005, it wasn't the cesspool that it became in the 2010s. We talked about video games and argued about which game company was better. Ask Culpa the Moth Mage, "horsedick" was about the worst of it back then. lol. And honestly? It was a better and more active community back then.
                Last edited by Cid; January 24th, 2019, 10:11 AM.

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                • Culpa the Moth Mage
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                  I miss Squipple and his his horse dick... :(

                • P408370R
                  P408370R commented
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                  Likewise.

                #50
                Yes, from talking about Sony Vs. Microsoft, to Goku Vs. Superman, to Democrats Vs. Republicans. We’ve made such great progress.

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                • Cid
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                  Topics of discussion became more relevant with each iteration. I like that.

                #51
                Originally posted by Cid View Post

                Two established websites though? We don't have thousands of users, a high google page ranking, and enough general activity to attract tons of new people.

                When I joined moviecodec in 2005, it wasn't the cesspool that it became in the 2010s. We talked about video games and argued about which game company was better. Ask Culpa the Moth Mage, "horsedick" was about the worst of it back then. lol. And honestly? It was a better and more active community back then.
                T5 isn't going to become an established site by throwing away its unique selling point and becoming like the other billion forgettable forums online. T5 is a forum for 4chan refugees, check Ziku's post above for further proof.
                Originally posted by Kajin_Style ;n513566
                Why should I even give a damn that some faggot is being stoned to death in another country?

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                  #52
                  Originally posted by DokTOR. View Post

                  T5 isn't going to become an established site by throwing away its unique selling point and becoming like the other billion forgettable forums online. T5 is a forum for 4chan refugees, check Ziku's post above for further proof.
                  T5 never had a unique selling point, mate. It's why I've struggled to market it. It's something that I hope to tackle in the coming year.

                  I can assure of one thing though... Presenting ourselves as a forum for 4chan rejects isn't a unique selling point and would never result in more activity.

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                    #53
                    Originally posted by Ziku View Post
                    Yes, from talking about Sony Vs. Microsoft, to Goku Vs. Superman, to Democrats Vs. Republicans. We’ve made such great progress.
                    Hopefully we can cut out any other subsequent arguments move and straight to Chads Vs. Incels

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                      #54
                      dw bros helly the one true based messiah-genius god is cooking up some heat rn thats sure to blow up, its time bros, project genesis 2000 AD is a go, of course this also means were gonna be flooded by even more helly-stans than we already have, but if you guys dont mind turning this into an 'I ♡ Helly' fanboard then i can work my genius completely unabated

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                        #55
                        Originally posted by Helly View Post
                        'I ♡ Helly' fanboard then i can work my genius completely unabated
                        I'm one hundred percent ok with this. We were your first fans, it's only right T5 is the home for all Hellyfans.

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                          #56
                          Originally posted by Cid View Post

                          I'm one hundred percent ok with this. We were your first fans, it's only right T5 is the home for all Hellyfans.
                          r u sure tho, like, forreal.....lol, I'm js, there are gonna be ALOT of impressionable youngins as well, and those types are gonna be really autistic over just about anything i say or do. Imagine 90% of the flamewars on this site involving people that I brought over

                          I'm just sayin....if u really have no problem with it, ill do the things, but i do feel bad about all the trouble I've already caused on my own lol, thougn I still stand by most of the controversial things I've said.

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                            #57
                            Originally posted by Kajin_Style View Post
                            However I can't accept a person who fakes it just to troll people and get a rise out of them. To intentionally be that malicious for shits and giggles reminds me of a person who tortures animals for fun. They are only doing it to hear someone wail in pain.
                            >making a racist joke is the same as torturing another living thing for fun


                            Originally posted by Kajin_Style
                            I say the japanese schoolgirl. She'll pull out a whistle and summon a mecha to fight for her.
                            Meanwhile the catholic girl prays to an imaginary god that throughout all his biblical feats has not once saved someone from a fight.

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                              #58
                              Originally posted by Pocket Rocket View Post
                              >making a racist joke is the same as torturing another living thing for fun

                              At this point you could publish a book of kaijin quotes
                              Originally posted by Kajin_Style ;n513566
                              Why should I even give a damn that some faggot is being stoned to death in another country?

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                                #59
                                Originally posted by DokTOR. View Post
                                At this point you could publish a book of kaijin quotes
                                The Big Book of Quiet Cathartic Quotes
                                Originally posted by Kajin_Style
                                I say the japanese schoolgirl. She'll pull out a whistle and summon a mecha to fight for her.
                                Meanwhile the catholic girl prays to an imaginary god that throughout all his biblical feats has not once saved someone from a fight.

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                                  #60
                                  to try and put this into perspective, let's take the RCA template. Multiply that by, mmmmm, maybe 10~ members, assuming my first year on YT gets me up to 1K or so. so now, we'll have 10 RCAs who, rather than capitalism or western chauvinism or whatever, obsess over Helly.

                                  you now have 10 members saying things like, "oh, helly didnt mean that", "helly's playing 9D chess", "helly would never do that", helly is pure leave her alone", "you take that back right now or i'll tell helly on you", etc etc. Simply echoing my opinions will be bad enough, but looking for excuses on my shortcomings.....are you sure you will never reach a point in time where you will say to yourself "man, i sure miss the days when this was a quiet humble forum without all these goddamn annoying helly dickriders, they should all just die". are you quite certain you will never tire of it if we reach that point and that scenario plays out, Cid
                                  Last edited by Helly; January 24th, 2019, 11:02 AM.

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