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    Originally posted by Louay View Post
    >thinking Bill Nye is an actual scientist
    the gift that keeps on giving
    Your reading comprehension must reaaally suck.

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      Originally posted by Kajin_Style View Post

      Your reading comprehension must reaaally suck.
      shut the fuck up before i toss you over the border

      oh wait i replied to the wrong post oops
      Last edited by Pocket Rocket; June 11th, 2019, 07:57 PM.
      Originally posted by Kajin_Style
      I have this illness called "Having-a-Heart" and gives me this irrational sense of empathy and care for my fellow man.

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        Originally posted by Helly View Post

        I never called PBS Studios a random Youtuber. That was very obviously in reference to Blaire White
        Naw bro.. you did. I repeatedly pointed you back to those two PBS Eons videos. Despite me trying to get you to watch them you just couldn't bother and kept making up excuses.

        Originally posted by Helly View Post
        Link the relevant sources, I'm not watching a 15+ minute video of Youtube "experts".
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        Originally posted by Helly View Post
        My problem with the Quora thread was that it was lazy. You didn't even read any of the source material, or you misunderstood it since they talk about cobalt supplementation in cow feed. That's bad enough, but your "source", the farmer who posted it, apparently didn't understand the machinations of a cow's anatomy, either which is how it slipped under his radar.
        I did read the source material and had to repeatedly to highlight the proper points and find her links. Furthermore the person who wrote that response in Quora is a specialist in her field!

        https://www.quora.com/How-did-we-tak...ore-getting-it <--quora thread
        https://www.quora.com/profile/Karin-Lindquist <-- author of post who answers nothing but questions about livestock. Just take a look!

        But ya know.. because it is on "quora" and I believe Kajin is a hack, it must be fake news!


        Originally posted by Helly View Post
        Not consciously, I'm sure. But you do. In that same thread, the reason I went off on you was because you irresponsibly linked to a blog with some old lady pushing alternative medicine just because one of her posts happened to line up with your anti-veganism. Stop acting like you oppose pseudoscience, YOU'VE LITERALLY CITED IT
        Oh you mean the quick sample google results I did? I literally said: "You can just google "veganism after a few years" Like I did and get results like:"

        https://www.t5forums.com/forum/main-...807#post533807


        But no... you go about attacking all 5 results over a quick anecdotal example of what other people went through when trying veganism.

        Originally posted by Helly View Post
        in summation, shut the fuck up kajin, you are the peak example of anti-science and you don't know what you're talking about, ever, stop spreading lies, you are doing damage to people with your ignorance.
        Cause yea this is what a normal person responds with over a side conversation I had with another.

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          Originally posted by OrganizationXV View Post

          Dude, it's so easy to do, it's like you wanted me to. I legit didn't think about it until after I noticed the whole dog pile.

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            Originally posted by Pocket Rocket View Post
            implying bill nye is a "scientist" and unironically using his shit as tools in debates

            kajin what the fuck is actually wrong with you
            Originally posted by Louay View Post
            >thinking Bill Nye is an actual scientist
            the gift that keeps on giving
            The whole "Bill Nye isn't a scientist" thing is a pretty weak excuse, to be honest. He didn't go to school and get a degree in a scientific field, true. He still studies science, conducts scientific experiments, and understands a lot insofar as astronomy and climate science, much more than any normal person. He's also on multiple scientific boards... Like for the National Space Society.

            So, you guys are kind of being faggots.

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            • Louay
              Louay commented
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              That's kind of the point though? Having a higher understanding of the field than the average Joe and being an honorary member in boards doesn't make you a scientific authority on the subject, and what he says definitely can't be used as reference in a debate, over scientific papers and studies.
              Also, let's be real, astronomy wasn't the topic of discussion he was brought up in.

            Originally posted by Cid View Post
            The whole "Bill Nye isn't a scientist" thing is a pretty weak excuse, to be honest. He didn't go to school and get a degree in a scientific field, true. He still studies science, conducts scientific experiments, and understands a lot insofar as astronomy and climate science, much more than any normal person. He's also on multiple scientific boards... Like for the National Space Society.

            So, you guys are kind of being faggots.
            dont care lol
            Originally posted by Kajin_Style
            I have this illness called "Having-a-Heart" and gives me this irrational sense of empathy and care for my fellow man.

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              Originally posted by Pocket Rocket View Post
              dont care lol
              Exactly. Facts don't matter to you. Just the next roast and sig quote you can get. That's all you care about.

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                Originally posted by Kajin_Style View Post

                You are pretty damn shameful moderator. Yes I am insulting you and know it. Let's look at what lead to that hastag.

                I expressed my frustration with the toxicity (general term I'm using for the school yard tactics) I've been dealing with from a few select members.

                2) Helly's first response is:




                Implying it is my fault. When I pointed out I had 5 or more attacking me over a joke I was trying to make and fail spectacularly with it. His next response was:



                If you can not see up at this point where he is blaming me (The one being attacked repeatedly aka "victim" got a better term for it? love to hear it) for the problems I am dealing with in a thread I tried to make one joke in...Then well... you are worse than I think.


                As for my claim of 5 people. Here are all the related posts:

                https://www.t5forums.com/forum/main-...890#post535890
                https://www.t5forums.com/forum/main-...904#post535904
                https://www.t5forums.com/forum/main-...908#post535908
                https://www.t5forums.com/forum/main-...917#post535917
                https://www.t5forums.com/forum/main-...927#post535927
                https://www.t5forums.com/forum/main-...928#post535928
                https://www.t5forums.com/forum/main-...943#post535943
                https://www.t5forums.com/forum/main-...954#post535954
                https://www.t5forums.com/forum/main-...967#post535967
                https://www.t5forums.com/forum/main-...014#post536014



                Meanwhile... you good sir! Realized they were being mean!



                Yet but ya know, when I point it out here, you laugh. Thanks for that. Great work there buddy!



                Side note: This is a cute number from Helly:



                Yet I can't use youtubers for my debates! lmao...

                >Let's not disregard people's opinion because they use an easily accessible platform like youtube
                >This guy on youtube says meat is good? Fuck that guy!


                And people wonder why I am cynical.
                So for the post you did literally right before this one you try to get me on your side but in this one you insult my fiance. You sir are fucking stupid if you think I'm gonna take your side on anything after that. Orgy is my fiance and if you insult him that's insulting me. At this point I want to be an ass to you but I wont. I'm gonna be an adult about this because someone has to be. Fuck your ideas of what makes someone a good moderator. I seriously wanna go off on you but I dont need this. I dont need to sit here and argue with someone like you. Helly was right this whole time.

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                  Originally posted by ChaosXVI View Post

                  So for the post you did literally right before this one you try to get me on your side but in this one you insult my fiance. You sir are fucking stupid if you think I'm gonna take your side on anything after that. Orgy is my fiance and if you insult him that's insulting me. At this point I want to be an ass to you but I wont. I'm gonna be an adult about this because someone has to be. Fuck your ideas of what makes someone a good moderator. I seriously wanna go off on you but I dont need this. I dont need to sit here and argue with someone like you. Helly was right this whole time.
                  Love ya babe, but again... This is really tame, lol. It's all good.

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                  • ChaosXVI
                    ChaosXVI commented
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                    This is bullshit though. He is legit not worth this site's time. Fuck that and fuck his attitude.

                  It's a lot impressive that you all can still incite a



                  reaction from me even an entire decade later, yeesh.

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                    Originally posted by Kai’ckul View Post
                    It's a lot impressive
                    you sure about this one

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                      Originally posted by OrganizationXV View Post

                      Love ya babe, but again... This is really tame, lol. It's all good.
                      It's unnecessary regardless of history or severity, but if it's all they're good for, then I suppose it can't be helped.

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                        I stand with kajin in his time of adversity


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                        • ChaosXVI
                          ChaosXVI commented
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                          Hmmmmmmmm....... oooooookkkkkkkkeeeeeeeyyyyyyyy ddddoooookkkkeeeeeyyyyyyy then. It's ok to be wrong.

                        Originally posted by Snap View Post

                        you sure about this one
                        Another murder...

                        jayzd.gif

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                          Originally posted by ChaosXVI View Post

                          So for the post you did literally right before this one you try to get me on your side but in this one you insult my fiance. You sir are fucking stupid if you think I'm gonna take your side on anything after that. Orgy is my fiance and if you insult him that's insulting me. At this point I want to be an ass to you but I wont. I'm gonna be an adult about this because someone has to be. Fuck your ideas of what makes someone a good moderator. I seriously wanna go off on you but I dont need this. I dont need to sit here and argue with someone like you. Helly was right this whole time.
                          1) Orgy, this is one is a keeper. :)

                          2) You are incapable of having a serious discussion if that's all it took to get you to flip out. I hope you are never responsible for people's well being. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. You wanted to get involved and moderate, fine. I'd figured, why not tell an impartial person but clearly you aren't made for this.

                          3) Get your emotions in check, cause the assholes in this site will trigger your punk ass if this is that took you to flip out.



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                          • ChaosXVI
                            ChaosXVI commented
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                            1. You need to keep orgy out of your shitty conflicts
                            2. I can have serious conversations. Just not with you and the way you act towards real life.
                            3. I have my emotions in check. I just get defensive of my family and relationships.

                          Originally posted by Kajin_Style View Post

                          Naw bro.. you did. I repeatedly pointed you back to those two PBS Eons videos. Despite me trying to get you to watch them you just couldn't bother and kept making up excuses.



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                          I've already tried explaining to you why the practices of our ancestors are not evidence that we are "natural-born predators" and you never understood it, but here, let me run this by you one last time: Humans do not have innate hunting or killing instincts unlike bears, alligators, lions, wolves, or even domesticated dogs and cats. If I lock a grizzly in a room with the person that has cared for him since he was a cub, chances are high that person is going to be dead as soon as that bear gets hungry. Whereas if I locked you in a room with a pig, you are not going to have the impulse to murder it any time soon even when you start to get hungry. You're not going to seriously think about killing it until you start starving, and even then chances are high that you're going to be crying your eyes out as you strangle the piggie to death and it squeals in pain and struggles for its little life, unlike lions, bears, or wolves who are all triggered by the sounds of a wounded animal.You would need to have that empathy trained out of you, whereas a natural-born predator would not. I wasn't denying the practices of our ancestors, I was arguing something else entirely which is why I kept telling you your PBS clips weren't relevant. I wasn't denying their validity, I was denying their relevance to my point.


                          "Youtube 'expert'" does not carry the same connotation as "random Youtuber". Both are pejorative, but one lends significantly more credence in assuming that the target is at least knowledgeable on the subject they're talking about to an extent.

                          Vsauce is a Youtube "expert". Blaire White is a "random Youtuber".




                          I did read the source material and had to repeatedly to highlight the proper points and find her links. Furthermore the person who wrote that response in Quora is a specialist in her field!

                          https://www.quora.com/How-did-we-tak...ore-getting-it <--quora thread
                          https://www.quora.com/profile/Karin-Lindquist <-- author of post who answers nothing but questions about livestock. Just take a look!

                          But ya know.. because it is on "quora" and I believe Kajin is a hack, it must be fake news!
                          I mean, if that's true, then it's really scary that she didn't understand the significance of what she was saying. Cobalt supplementation is a form of supplementation by itself, but going further it's done so the cows can essentially be used as living farms of B12. This is just B12 supplementation with an extra step, it's shocking to me she didn't realize it. It's not the first time I've been disillusioned with supposed experts, though.


                          Oh you mean the quick sample google results I did? I literally said: "You can just google "veganism after a few years" Like I did and get results like:"

                          https://www.t5forums.com/forum/main-...807#post533807


                          But no... you go about attacking all 5 results over a quick anecdotal example of what other people went through when trying veganism.
                          cite
                          /sīt/
                          verb
                          1.
                          quote (a passage, book, or author) as evidence for or justification of an argument or statement, especially in a scholarly work.



                          You used this person's faulty kooky pseudoscientific evaluation of her experience as evidence for your argument that veganism is not viable, ergo you cited pseudoscience. Stop being dishonest for once in your T5 career.


                          Cause yea this is what a normal person responds with over a side conversation I had with another.
                          When you're trying to spread pseudoscience to someone I consider an e-friend? Yea, you're damn right it's a proper response. I was pretty lenient on you, in fact.


                          Originally posted by Kajin_Style
                          Completely denouncing every bit of evidence I present WITHOUT any counter evidence to point to the contrary is not logic; it's outright denial.
                          Originally posted by Kajin_Style
                          I'm sure you'll come up with some debunking excuse.

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                            Originally posted by Kajin_Style View Post
                            I hope you are never responsible for people's well being
                            I'm pretty sure she's been a caretaker of some kind and has mentioned it here before, so have fun getting BTFO by OrganizationXIV's girlfriend again, RIP I guess


                            Originally posted by Kajin_Style
                            Completely denouncing every bit of evidence I present WITHOUT any counter evidence to point to the contrary is not logic; it's outright denial.
                            Originally posted by Kajin_Style
                            I'm sure you'll come up with some debunking excuse.

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                            • Helly
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                              why did you like my comment, kajin, its literally making fun of you for being an ignoramus

                            Originally posted by Kajin_Style View Post

                            Exactly. Facts don't matter to you. Just the next roast and sig quote you can get. That's all you care about.
                            not true i also care about myself
                            Originally posted by Kajin_Style
                            I have this illness called "Having-a-Heart" and gives me this irrational sense of empathy and care for my fellow man.

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                              Originally posted by Helly View Post

                              I've already tried explaining to you why the practices of our ancestors are not evidence that we are "natural-born predators" and you never understood it, but here, let me run this by you one last time: Humans do not have innate hunting or killing instincts unlike bears, alligators, lions, wolves, or even domesticated dogs and cats. If I lock a grizzly in a room with the person that has cared for him since he was a cub, chances are high that person is going to be dead as soon as that bear gets hungry. Whereas if I locked you in a room with a pig, you are not going to have the impulse to murder it any time soon even when you start to get hungry. You're not going to seriously think about killing it until you start starving, and even then chances are high that you're going to be crying your eyes out as you strangle the piggie to death and it squeals in pain and struggles for its little life, unlike lions, bears, or wolves who are all triggered by the sounds of a wounded animal.You would need to have that empathy trained out of you, whereas a natural-born predator would not. I wasn't denying the practices of our ancestors, I was arguing something else entirely which is why I kept telling you your PBS clips weren't relevant. I wasn't denying their validity, I was denying their relevance to my point.
                              -Chimpanzees have been found hunting smaller monkeys. Humans in remote tribes in Africa and even those in that one tiny island sectioned off from people hunt animals. They have the tools to do so. You say "natural born predators" but give no solid decision of it. Unless you saying these tribe people are not "natural born predators" despite hunting and gathering all their lives.

                              -A bear raised by someone since it was a cub will not attack that person when hungry. They can go a long time without hunger and do not eat humans. They attack humans to protect themselves, their cubs and don't attack to eat but to kill a threat. They leave people alone once they believe they are dead. So bad example.

                              -I did not grow up eating raw pig meat but if I did... well.. then yes I'd murder the piggy. Hunters like lions and wolves are almost always on the hunt for food. The squeals of an injured animal triggers them because they know it is a free meal and not because it is genetically built into their DNA (pig squeal = lunch). No it is taught and learned.



                              Originally posted by Helly View Post

                              I mean, if that's true, then it's really scary that she didn't understand the significance of what she was saying. Cobalt supplementation is a form of supplementation by itself, but going further it's done so the cows can essentially be used as living farms of B12. This is just B12 supplementation with an extra step, it's shocking to me she didn't realize it. It's not the first time I've been disillusioned with supposed experts, though.
                              Or maybe... you are wrong and she's right. Just a thought.


                              Originally posted by Helly View Post
                              You used this person's faulty kooky pseudoscientific evaluation of her experience as evidence for your argument that veganism is not viable, ergo you cited pseudoscience. Stop being dishonest for once in your T5 career.
                              I used testimony from 5 random people who came up in the top of my search results. I don't know how testimony equals pseudoscience in your mind.


                              Originally posted by Helly View Post
                              When you're trying to spread pseudoscience to someone I consider an e-friend? Yea, you're damn right it's a proper response. I was pretty lenient on you, in fact.


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                                Originally posted by Kajin_Style View Post

                                -Chimpanzees have been found hunting smaller monkeys. Humans in remote tribes in Africa and even those in that one tiny island sectioned off from people hunt animals. They have the tools to do so. You say "natural born predators" but give no solid decision of it. Unless you saying these tribe people are not "natural born predators" despite hunting and gathering all their lives.

                                -A bear raised by someone since it was a cub will not attack that person when hungry. They can go a long time without hunger and do not eat humans. They attack humans to protect themselves, their cubs and don't attack to eat but to kill a threat. They leave people alone once they believe they are dead. So bad example.

                                -I did not grow up eating raw pig meat but if I did... well.. then yes I'd murder the piggy. Hunters like lions and wolves are almost always on the hunt for food. The squeals of an injured animal triggers them because they know it is a free meal and not because it is genetically built into their DNA (pig squeal = lunch). No it is taught and learned.
                                I gave you a definition multiple times along with several examples. Here they are again:

                                Originally posted by Helly View Post

                                https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/31/u...ily/index.html

                                Lion, born in captivity, escapes enclosure and kills an intern. Completely unprovoked.

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                                https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.95905a17466c

                                Lion attacks and drags park owner who had bottle-fed him as a cub as soon as he tried to run

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                                http://bigcatescapesmaulings.blogspo...y-escaped.html

                                6-year-old girl who was playing in a driveway was attacked by an escaped pet Siberian Lynx


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                                https://www.msn.com/en-xl/europe/top...0A9?li=BBJDXDP

                                Brown bear escapes his cage, attacks and eats owner to the fucking bone along with one of his dogs. Said owner had rescued the bear when he was a cub.



                                And those are just a few relatively recent occurrences




                                Or maybe... you are wrong and she's right. Just a thought.
                                She literally admitted it in her own post that cobalt supplementation in feed is provided to aid the cows in creating higher amounts of B12, so yea, she is wrong.


                                I used testimony from 5 random people who came up in the top of my search results. I don't know how testimony equals pseudoscience in your mind.
                                Then you're intellectually challenged and I can't help you, I'm sorry.


                                Originally posted by Kajin_Style
                                Completely denouncing every bit of evidence I present WITHOUT any counter evidence to point to the contrary is not logic; it's outright denial.
                                Originally posted by Kajin_Style
                                I'm sure you'll come up with some debunking excuse.

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