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    Space Force 6th branch of military

    It's about time.

    now let's put some COIL and THEL lasers in space on orientable satellites with ion engines. You'll be able to position them in LEO and then hit targets up to 400KM away through the atmosphere. These would be great at shooting down enemy missiles and aircraft, but could also be used to destroy the main guns on enemy ships or tanks if necessary.

    Also, we should un-ban the NERVA rocket and think about using it to deploy a mission to Mars. Mars would be a good excuse to make a space force anyway.

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      #3
      The way this works is Russia and china developed missiles to shoot down our military satellites. We have the lasers, so we will now put lasers on our satellites to shoot down missiles.

      It's the resurrection of the "Star Wars" program from the Reagan era.

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        #4
        In all seriousness we could use this to easily destroy the countries that oppose us

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          #5
          Originally posted by Wade View Post
          It's about time.
          No, it isn't. This is a stupid idea and whoever encouraged Trump to do it should be fired. This is a waste of money and a waste of resources. What are we going to do with a "space force" anyway? We can barely get a ton of supplies up to the ISS and it takes hundreds of millions of dollars to do that because chemical fuel is incredibly inefficient. We're not going to have orbiting military outposts or weaponized satellites. We're going to have a ton of people sitting on the ground and twirling their thumbs. And we're going to pay them to do it through taxes.

          Originally posted by Wade View Post
          The way this works is Russia and china developed missiles to shoot down our military satellites. We have the lasers, so we will now put lasers on our satellites to shoot down missiles.

          It's the resurrection of the "Star Wars" program from the Reagan era.
          No, we're not. A laser powerful enough to do that is going to draw far too much energy to be sustainable through solar power. We'd have to equip those satellites with nuclear reactors, which is illegal under international treaty.

          Last edited by Cid; August 9th, 2018, 11:33 PM.

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            #6
            Gotta build a space wall to keep aliens from taking our jobs, raping our women, and bringing drugs into our neighborhoods.
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              #7
              Outer space treaty prohibits that

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                #8
                Originally posted by Nerise View Post
                Outer space treaty prohibits that
                That hasn't stopped russia or china from breaking the treaty.

                The onnly reason we stopped developing the NERVA rocket was because of treaty. With the NERVA rocket, a manned mission could fly directly to Mars in 30 days. With chemical rockets it takes 6 months to reach Mars.

                Colonizing Proxima Centauri is a pipe dream without the NERVA rocket. Chemical Rocketry will never get much faster than our present chemical rockets, but NERVA is up to a million times more energetic than our fastest chemical rockets.

                Summary: We need NERVA anyway for peaceful reasons. So we may as well reactivate the entire program.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Cid View Post

                  No, it isn't. This is a stupid idea and whoever encouraged Trump to do it should be fired. This is a waste of money and a waste of resources. What are we going to do with a "space force" anyway? We can barely get a ton of supplies up to the ISS and it takes hundreds of millions of dollars to do that because chemical fuel is incredibly inefficient. We're not going to have orbiting military outposts or weaponized satellites. We're going to have a ton of people sitting on the ground and twirling their thumbs. And we're going to pay them to do it through taxes.



                  No, we're not. A laser powerful enough to do that is going to draw far too much energy to be sustainable through solar power. We'd have to equip those satellites with nuclear reactors, which is illegal under international treaty.
                  The Alternative would be putting Patriot missile in tandem orbits in space with the Satellites, because Russia and China are known to sell their tech to nations which hate us, we'll need something to protect those satellites. Patriots don't have nearly the range of the COIL laser though, so you'd need more of them.

                  The COIL laser uses a chemical fuel cell which fits inside a 747. It has enough fuel to shoot down dozens of rockets before it needs to be recharged. It's small enough to be launched to LEO with a Delta or Atlas or even Falcon Heavy. NASA's new SLS will be able to launch something that size too.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Wade View Post

                    The Alternative would be putting Patriot missile in tandem orbits in space with the Satellites, because Russia and China are known to sell their tech to nations which hate us, we'll need something to protect those satellites. Patriots don't have nearly the range of the COIL laser though, so you'd need more of them.

                    The COIL laser uses a chemical fuel cell which fits inside a 747. It has enough fuel to shoot down dozens of rockets before it needs to be recharged. It's small enough to be launched to LEO with a Delta or Atlas or even Falcon Heavy. NASA's new SLS will be able to launch something that size too.
                    It costs $10,000 per pound to launch something into space. A single patriot missile weighs about 2000 pounds. Do you think we're going to spend $20 million per missile to put them into orbit? That's utterly ridiculous. If Trump was intelligent instead of being a gorilla wrapped in a presidential parody skin he would increase NASA's funding significantly and dedicate a small branch within it to "protecting US interests in space." Because at least then, MAYBE, this wouldn't be a colossal waste of time and resources because we might actually get some work done on more efficient launch technology.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Cid View Post

                      It costs $10,000 per pound to launch something into space. A single patriot missile weighs about 2000 pounds. Do you think we're going to spend $20 million per missile to put them into orbit? That's utterly ridiculous. If Trump was intelligent instead of being a gorilla wrapped in a presidential parody skin he would increase NASA's funding significantly and dedicate a small branch within it to "protecting US interests in space." Because at least then, MAYBE, this wouldn't be a colossal waste of time and resources because we might actually get some work done on more efficient launch technology.
                      That's one reason why I suggest reactivating the NERVA rocket program. With NERVA you could launch payloads to space for a few dollars per pound due to economies of scale and the energy density of Fission power.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Wade View Post

                        That's one reason why I suggest reactivating the NERVA rocket program. With NERVA you could launch payloads to space for a few dollars per pound due to economies of scale and the energy density of Fission power.
                        Good luck convincing Russia to allow our US military to use nuclear-powered rockets without allowing them to put actual nukes in space.



                        This is all this stupid program is, Wade. It's a disguise to feed even more money into the defense budget. Republicans are going to use this farce of a program to allocate hundreds of millions of dollars more to the defense budget, and absolutely none of that is going to go towards any meaningful technological leap. If the Trump administration was serious about this, they would have increased NASA's budget and created a team within NASA based on protecting US interests in space. But instead, we got this a "6th branch of the US military".

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                          #13
                          The Russians would be dumb to put Nukes in space if we put Lasers in space, we could just shoot them down.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Wade View Post
                            The Russians would be dumb to put Nukes in space if we put Lasers in space, we could just shoot them down.
                            It would take about two minutes for a Russian satellite to launch an ICBM from space and hit a target on the surface. So good luck with that.

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                              #15
                              The other issue is we can have an increased Radar presence in space. This has both civilian and military purposes. Military, because it can spot cruise missiles that fly under ground-based radar, but civilian because you can use them to study hurricanes and get more passes from space based radars, which would help global models and hurricane models when tracking storms not in range of a HH aircraft. This would allow a 6 and 7 days forecast product from NHC.

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                                #16
                                Originally posted by Cid View Post

                                It would take about two minutes for a Russian satellite to launch an ICBM from space and hit a target on the surface. So good luck with that.
                                This is the THEL laser, which is about 10 times smaller than the COIL laser.

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCBwLJjzDJQ

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                                  #17
                                  I'm not exactly sure what the bill entailed, but NASA Administrator Jim Bridenstine just said on FOX news that a similar bill already passed the House of Representatives a few years ago. I guess the Senate didn't pass it then.

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                                    #18
                                    I imagine the conversation went something like this:

                                    [Dr. Propercock]: "America is the only industrialized nation that cannot afford to provide healthcare and higher education as a public service. America is also the only country in the world that spends trillions of dollars on military expenditures and more money on wars and weapons platforms than the next 40 highest-spending countries combined. Appropriate remedial measures would be to..."

                                    [General Tushfinger]: "...use the next round of increases in defense spending to weaponize outer space--love it."

                                    [Dr. Propercock]: "Okayyyyyyy. Thats one way to watch money commit suicide. How about we don't do that, cut the defense budget, use the funds to..."

                                    [General Tushfinger]: "We shall call it Space Force."

                                    ]Dr. Propercock]: "...modernize the energy grid, build hospitals, replace 20th century railways and irrigation ditches with bullet trains and hydroponics...."

                                    ]General Tushfinger]: SPACE FORCE!!!!

                                    [Dr. Propercock]: "Sir--you know this is asinine, right?"

                                    DEAR LEADER:



                                    Dr. Propercock: "...fuck this country..."
                                    Last edited by Post-Crisis Shob; August 10th, 2018, 09:50 AM.

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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Cid View Post

                                      Do you think we're going to spend $20 million per missile to put them into orbit?
                                      Yes we will.

                                      Then we'll complain that we can't fund medicare and social security and that the Department of Education is a waste of taxpayer money.
                                      Last edited by Post-Crisis Shob; August 10th, 2018, 10:00 AM.

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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Post-Crisis Shob View Post

                                        Yes we will.

                                        Then we'll complaint that we can't fit fund medicare and social security and that the Department of Education is a waste of taxpayer money.
                                        Yeah

                                        You're probably right.

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