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    Political Tension Rising in China and the USA

    Don’t fuck with the place that makes 95% of your shit first of all, but like lets be real here...
    • Pres. Trump suggest applying 25% additional tariff on Chinese goods worth a total of $50 billion. That sounds like a huge number, it is a huge number.
    • In 2017, China export totaled roughly $2.26 trillion
    • Of the $50 billion worth of goods, due to 25% higher cost, overall purchases from US buyers will decrease dramatically in 2018. Hypothetically let's say the purchase reduces to half of 2017, that means a total of $25 billion reduction in Chinese export. This $25 billion reduction represents 1.1% of total export value from China, or 0.2% of Chinese Annual GDP
    • China export to the global market has been increasing at a very fast pace, due to high demand in new markets. In 2018 Jan/Feb alone, Chinese total export increased by $40 billion, compared to the same time period in 2017. This alone is enough to offset the impact of this round
    • What this means is the tariff will cause about 0.2% decrease in China's GDP in 2018 Maybe from 5.5% to 5.3% (my guess)

    To really hurt China, let's suppose US decided to apply additional tariff on 50% of all imports from China. This is likely the worst case (I think). In 2016 US imported a total of $462 billion from China. If new tariff is added to $231 billion worth of goods, using the same assumption (purchase reduced by half) we can estimate it will reduce Chinese export by $116 billion. That is roughly 5.1% of annual export from China, representing 1% of GDP.

    The conclusion is the worst case scenario will be a reduction of 1% GDP in China


    The fact of the matter is, America has done nothing to prepare for this tariff, Trump has not increased budget on education and thus producing more skilled workers and managers. Trump has not increased budget for small to medium sized businesses nor has he increased the funding for investors looking to build new factories. He has not allocated land for new factories, nor has he even started a gathering of all major retailers to link them to new suppliers.

    Trump has done nothing to prepare America for this tariff.

    On the other hand, China has had sometime to prepare for this, as even Obama has applied sanctions and tariffs to a degree against China. Though how effective still needs to be seen. Althought it’s china, we WILL win the trade war.

    #2
    Wade

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      #3
      I don't care much about the trade war. Just export lots of cute honeys over here to the U.S.; I need a girlfriend, and only a hot Asian will do.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Wade View Post
        I don't care much about the trade war. Just export lots of cute honeys over here to the U.S.; I need a girlfriend, and only a hot Asian will do.
        You wont get one. You have a serial killer/shooter vibe to be honest. Have you tried prostitutes? Seem to be your best bet. No offense

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          #5
          Originally posted by 40 acres View Post

          You wont get one. You have a serial killer/shooter vibe to be honest. Have you tried prostitutes? Seem to be your best bet. No offense
          Know your bounds, don’t tred on political territory.

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            #6
            The thing about China is that it developed late compared to the Western Powers, in terms of making the jump from a primarily agrarian sustenance-farming based society to a modern industrialized economy.

            China in its current position on the development curve is like 2 or 3 generations removed from a country of rice farmers and localized craftsmen--i.e. about where America and Europe was in the late 19th / early 20th century--and looking at comparable growth rates to what the west saw in the decades immediately following the industrial revolution and the transition from this:





            To this:



            ...that growth rate of course is not sustainable. And it slows down + reaches a more static equilibrium once the transition is complete, until the next big thing in economic transformation sweeps through (i.e. the internet boom and computer tech industry explosion coming out of Silicon Valley in the late 90s; not coincidentally, america's last great period of explosive economic growth and dominance)

            Not saying that China isn't the strongest economy of the modern era and the most favorably positioned moving forward.

            It is.

            But:

            1) Those growth rates its been pumping out in recent decades are not sustainable--its the explosive growth period of industrial revolution--and its going to start petering out as China approaches full industrialization. Like America and Europe in the early/mid 20th century.

            2) Everything is subject to change when the next big tech wave changes the game and revolutionizes the global economy again, as it inevitably some point will. Current state of affairs and economic strengths/weaknesses of the major world powers notwithstanding, the dominant powers of the next century will be the powers that most rapidly develop and best utilize the new tech. (current economic strengths and weaknesses is informative insofar as it provides some predictor of which countries are most likely to be premier developers and utilizers of the next big thing. China, being the strongest economy and largest population, simply has the most capital to invest in research and development and the most manpower to throw at problem-solving)

            3) Start guessing what the next big thing is thats going to up-end the global status quo and carry whoever rides the wave to economic superpower status.

            Is it a new energy source that makes fossil fuels obsolete?
            Is it eugenics and bioengineering of true superhumans?
            Is it the development of sophisticated machine AI and robots that can replace human labor?
            Is it space exploration and colonization of Mars?
            Is it something we haven't even thought of yet?

            ...like you know that's all coming down the development curve in the next few hundred years or so, at the rate technology is advancing...

            And that once that shit starts to happen--its a whole new ballgame. We'll be judging world superpowers by whose established mining colonies on the best asteroids and who's supersoldiers have the best genetic alterations; the criteria used today will be inconsequential.

            (in b4 Australia is the first to get there because the rest of us all kill eachother--horribly--while they're all just chilling on their Crocodile Farms drinking Fosters)
            Last edited by Post-Crisis Shob; May 9th, 2018, 12:29 PM.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Post-Crisis Shob View Post
              The thing about China is that it developed late compared to the Western Powers, in terms of making the jump from a primarily agrarian sustenance-farming based society to a modern industrialized economy.

              China in its current position on the development curve is like 2 or 3 generations removed from a country of rice farmers and localized craftsmen--i.e. about where America and Europe was in the late 19th / early 20th century--and looking at comparable growth rates to what the west saw in the decades immediately following the industrial revolution and the transition from this:





              To this:



              ...that growth rate of course is not sustainable. And it slows down + reaches a more static equilibrium once the transition is complete, until the next big thing in economic transformation sweeps through (i.e. the internet boom and computer tech industry explosion coming out of Silicon Valley in the late 90s; not coincidentally, america's last great period of explosive economic growth and dominance)

              Not saying that China isn't the strongest economy of the modern era and the most favorably positioned moving forward.

              It is.

              But:

              1) Those growth rates its been pumping out in recent decades are not sustainable--its the explosive growth period of industrial revolution--and its going to start petering out as China approaches full industrialization. Like America and Europe in the early/mid 20th century.

              2) Everything is subject to change when the next big tech wave changes the game and revolutionizes the global economy again, as it inevitably some point will. Current state of affairs and economic strengths/weaknesses of the major world powers notwithstanding, the dominant powers of the next century will be the powers that most rapidly develop and best utilize the new tech. (current economic strengths and weaknesses is informative insofar as it provides some predictor of which countries are most likely to be premier developers and utilizers of the next big thing. China, being the strongest economy and largest population, simply has the most capital to invest in research and development and the most manpower to throw at problem-solving)

              3) Start guessing what the next big thing is thats going to up-end the global status quo and carry whoever rides the wave to economic superpower status.

              Is it a new energy source that makes fossil fuels obsolete?
              Is it eugenics and bioengineering of true superhumans?
              Is it the development of sophisticated machine AI and robots that can replace human labor?
              Is it space exploration and colonization of Mars?
              Is it something we haven't even thought of yet?

              ...like you know that's all coming down the development curve in the next few hundred years or so, at the rate technology is advancing...

              And that once that shit starts to happen--its a whole new ballgame. We'll be judging world superpowers by whose established mining colonies on the best asteroids and who's supersoldiers have the best genetic alterations; the criteria used today will be inconsequential.

              (in b4 Australia is the first to get there because the rest of us all kill eachother--horribly--while they're all just chilling on their Crocodile Farms drinking Fosters)
              If you look at history there are certain areas in the world that have been dominant, inventive, and prosperous. China is one of those areas. So if anyone will be ahead of the curb it will be China. Along another 4 areas.
              "“The distinction we’ve always made is there’s a difference between conducting espionage in order to protect national security and conduct military operations, and the theft of intellectual property for the benefit of companies inside your country,” said Michael Daniel, the White House cybersecurity coordinator under Obama."

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                #8
                Originally posted by #83.6666666667 View Post

                If you look at history there are certain areas in the world that have been dominant, inventive, and prosperous. China is one of those areas. So if anyone will be ahead of the curb it will be China. Along another 4 areas.
                China still has a long way to go, especially for its own people's personal wealth.
                World 280,289 56,541 3,582
                North America 101,005 374,869 59,127
                1 United States 93,560 388,585 55,876
                Asia 80,548 - -
                Europe 79,639 - -
                2 China 29,000 26,872 6,689
                3 Japan 23,682 225,057 123,724
                4 United Kingdom 14,073 278,038 102,641
                5 Germany 13,714 203,946 47,091
                6 France 12,969 263,399 119,720
                7 Italy 10,853 223,572 124,636
                Oceania 8,491 - -
                South America 8,107 - -
                8 Canada 7,407 259,271 91,058
                9 Australia 7,329 402,603 195,417
                10 South Korea 6,987 160,609 67,934

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...alth_per_adult


                The shear total wealth difference is what gives us an edge in any trade wear. China wants our money not the other way around. Granted we should still want their cheap products but if anyone has the edge in a trade war is the one with the money.

                You've also ignored Shob's remarks such at these:

                Is it a new energy source that makes fossil fuels obsolete?
                Is it eugenics and bioengineering of true superhumans?
                Is it the development of sophisticated machine AI and robots that can replace human labor?
                Is it space exploration and colonization of Mars?
                Is it something we haven't even thought of yet?
                America is ahead in all of this. There is tons of research happening in this.

                -The development of renewable energy is going strong despite trump's efforts (wind, solar, water powered. Electric cars, more efficient technology that uses less power, etc etc)

                -Bioengineer is rapidly growing just look at CRISPR. There are trials happening now where they reprogram (edit DNA) of viruses to attack other viruses/bacteria

                -Robots are also developing quickly and probably will be the first thing we see. Self driving cars, boston dynamics dog robot, baxter robot, Google drexel an AI that can hold phone conversations, Waston AI is capable of giving a people an accurate diagnose for their illnesses. Accuracy was around 80%? Last I checked. It has only gotten better since.

                -SpaceX 2020 and the push to colonize Mars. Elon Musk's steadily developing space program. A better telescope than the Hubble will be going up 2020 (hopefully!). So much more!

                -Anti-aging. As crazy as it sounds there's a few folks working on it. Their goal is not for people to live forever but for you to retain your quality of life when you reach 80 or 90. Where you will be able to be active, move around like you were in your 30s or so.


                So yea, America is pushing for a lot of crazy almost sci-fi things.

                Originally posted by Date Rape Prophet
                I don't believe in infallibility of scripture

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                • Kajin_Style
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                  Mind you, I should add I am against Trump's tariffs but I'm showing what may have lead to his actions and why the affects of his tariffs won't bother many americans just those in certain industries. We have the edge, but we shouldn't be wasting our time in a bloody trade war.

                #9
                Originally posted by Kajin_Style View Post

                China still has a long way to go, especially for its own people's personal wealth.
                World 280,289 56,541 3,582
                North America 101,005 374,869 59,127
                1 United States 93,560 388,585 55,876
                Asia 80,548 - -
                Europe 79,639 - -
                2 China 29,000 26,872 6,689
                3 Japan 23,682 225,057 123,724
                4 United Kingdom 14,073 278,038 102,641
                5 Germany 13,714 203,946 47,091
                6 France 12,969 263,399 119,720
                7 Italy 10,853 223,572 124,636
                Oceania 8,491 - -
                South America 8,107 - -
                8 Canada 7,407 259,271 91,058
                9 Australia 7,329 402,603 195,417
                10 South Korea 6,987 160,609 67,934

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...alth_per_adult


                The shear total wealth difference is what gives us an edge in any trade wear. China wants our money not the other way around. Granted we should still want their cheap products but if anyone has the edge in a trade war is the one with the money.

                You've also ignored Shob's remarks such at these:



                America is ahead in all of this. There is tons of research happening in this.

                -The development of renewable energy is going strong despite trump's efforts (wind, solar, water powered. Electric cars, more efficient technology that uses less power, etc etc)

                -Bioengineer is rapidly growing just look at CRISPR. There are trials happening now where they reprogram (edit DNA) of viruses to attack other viruses/bacteria

                -Robots are also developing quickly and probably will be the first thing we see. Self driving cars, boston dynamics dog robot, baxter robot, Google drexel an AI that can hold phone conversations, Waston AI is capable of giving a people an accurate diagnose for their illnesses. Accuracy was around 80%? Last I checked. It has only gotten better since.

                -SpaceX 2020 and the push to colonize Mars. Elon Musk's steadily developing space program. A better telescope than the Hubble will be going up 2020 (hopefully!). So much more!

                -Anti-aging. As crazy as it sounds there's a few folks working on it. Their goal is not for people to live forever but for you to retain your quality of life when you reach 80 or 90. Where you will be able to be active, move around like you were in your 30s or so.


                So yea, America is pushing for a lot of crazy almost sci-fi things.
                I'm talking about a 100 year period or more. Right now the USA is clearly ahead but it has been collapsing quite fast in the last few decades. Trump just sped up the decline 10 fold.
                "“The distinction we’ve always made is there’s a difference between conducting espionage in order to protect national security and conduct military operations, and the theft of intellectual property for the benefit of companies inside your country,” said Michael Daniel, the White House cybersecurity coordinator under Obama."

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                  #10
                  Accumulated wealth is a backwards-looking indicator of success. Ongoing capability to generate new wealth is a forward-looking indicator. China beats us where it counts; in the forward-looking indicators.

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                    #11
                    .....

                    usa is actually lacking in much more compartments lmao... of course leave it to the ignorant white folk who believe their nation is the greatest and all that.. no nation is, but america is one of the worst offenders when it comes to stroking an ego that can’t be matched by it’s own growing self.

                    fact. Usa owes debt. A shit ton of debt. More than what can be paid off in any of our lifetimes. Most of it to china (gee what a surprise)

                    usa is behind in these so called “science fiction” technologies. Japan, India, China, etc are actually leading these advances, all of which due to more funding, more stem scholars, and overall more people even willing to aid in the developments of such techonologies. What you fail to mention is that these advances are nowhere near as far as they are in these places.All of which are capable of supporting it. America is stuck it its own political backwash, a culture that doesn’t have clear cut customs and people fighting each other. Which does not happen in a nationalistic country like china or Taiwan for example. To say otherwise is again, extremely ignorant and what they would call blindsight nation(usa) bias.

                    USA is no longer the superpower. The rest of the world is already surpassed usa long time ago and the gap will only grow larger. I will not debate with people who do not grasp what they are even attempting to speak

                    Lol @ Kajin saying how usa is more wealth for its people. Yet the country owes more debt than anyone in the world at near unpayable amounts. How can you be the wealthiest if you owe nearly everything you got and more in one’s lifetime? Your corrupt government only seeks to pass down current issues onto the next so called “democratic president..”

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                      #12
                      Excluding Kajin’s and Shob’s blatant bias posts regarding america, china will win the trade war. As mentioned in the first post.

                      kajin read because you seemed to have miss it. Ill even repost it for you.

                      Don’t fuck with the place that makes 95% of your shit first of all, but like lets be real here...
                      • Pres. Trump suggest applying 25% additional tariff on Chinese goods worth a total of $50 billion. That sounds like a huge number, it is a huge number.
                      • In 2017, China export totaled roughly $2.26 trillion
                      • Of the $50 billion worth of goods, due to 25% higher cost, overall purchases from US buyers will decrease dramatically in 2018. Hypothetically let's say the purchase reduces to half of 2017, that means a total of $25 billion reduction in Chinese export. This $25 billion reduction represents 1.1% of total export value from China, or 0.2% of Chinese Annual GDP
                      • China export to the global market has been increasing at a very fast pace, due to high demand in new markets. In 2018 Jan/Feb alone, Chinese total export increased by $40 billion, compared to the same time period in 2017. This alone is enough to offset the impact of this round
                      • What this means is the tariff will cause about 0.2% decrease in China's GDP in 2018 Maybe from 5.5% to 5.3% (my guess)

                      To really hurt China, let's suppose US decided to apply additional tariff on 50% of all imports from China. This is likely the worst case (I think). In 2016 US imported a total of $462 billion from China. If new tariff is added to $231 billion worth of goods, using the same assumption (purchase reduced by half) we can estimate it will reduce Chinese export by $116 billion. That is roughly 5.1% of annual export from China, representing 1% of GDP.

                      The conclusion is the worst case scenario will be a reduction of 1% GDP in China


                      The fact of the matter is, America has done nothing to prepare for this tariff, Trump has not increased budget on education and thus producing more skilled workers and managers. Trump has not increased budget for small to medium sized businesses nor has he increased the funding for investors looking to build new factories. He has not allocated land for new factories, nor has he even started a gathering of all major retailers to link them to new suppliers.

                      Trump has done nothing to prepare America for this tariff.

                      On the other hand, China has had sometime to prepare for this, as even Obama has applied sanctions and tariffs to a degree against China. Though how effective still needs to be seen. Althought it’s china, we WILL win the trade war.

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                        #13
                        Actually Shob is pretty non-bias here.

                        And I have noticed a large increment of advancement in technology and science from China. I think the USA might still be ahead right now but they'll be surpassed in a decade or so. Europe seems to be the one taking the lead in the "western world". If the USA doesn't start to get their shit together we'll be a low tier country. Having the biggest military budget won't matter if China has a superior military.
                        "“The distinction we’ve always made is there’s a difference between conducting espionage in order to protect national security and conduct military operations, and the theft of intellectual property for the benefit of companies inside your country,” said Michael Daniel, the White House cybersecurity coordinator under Obama."

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                          #14
                          Will need some evidence of China's advancing technology and things they are working on. Sadly, my science/technology channels do not talk about the tech being developed in China.

                          Originally posted by Date Rape Prophet
                          I don't believe in infallibility of scripture

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                          • #83.6666666667
                            #83.6666666667 commented
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                            Just read science articles. Doesn't even have to be technical.

                          • Kajin_Style
                            Kajin_Style commented
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                            #83.6666666667 Link me some because all I get is the american or european science articles.

                          • #83.6666666667
                            #83.6666666667 commented
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                            You'll have to read newspapers daily. Just an example, today I heard that China was the first country to transplant a penis around a decade ago. The USA did it recently on a soldier. This might sound funny, but medically speaking it is an achievement.

                          #15
                          He is right, and not just in trade it will become the global economy, while the US is fighting their few allies they got, China is basically buying the world, they already got Africa and Latinamerica (the places with most resources in the world) Mexico was the only country of latinamerica who didn't want to make deals with the Chinese out of loyalty with the US but with Trump the mexicans are already seeing where to sell their shit and you bet the Chinese are going to capitalize, so yeah at this point we better

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                            #16
                            Originally posted by Kajin_Style View Post
                            Will need some evidence of China's advancing technology and things they are working on. Sadly, my science/technology channels do not talk about the tech being developed in China.
                            The thing about China is that all the research facilities and information channels are state controlled. The only thing you ever hear about them doing is pirating other country's tech.

                            Not because that's the only thing they do, but because that's the only thing that isn't a state secret.

                            In a country like say--South Korea--for example, we have open information channels and sharing of scientific research. And we know they've been doing some rather remarkable R&D into fusion reactors; they're probably closer then any Western country to building a working prototype ATM. If they can get that up and running, that could launch Seoul to superpower status (or it could melt half the peninsula with a 300 million degree ball of plasma; who the hell knows. They think they've solved the problem of how to stop the heat from radiating out of the reactor core, but...)

                            Whatever China is or isn't doing in terms of developing new tech; we don't know, because they're not in the habit of showing their work.
                            Last edited by Post-Crisis Shob; May 15th, 2018, 08:29 AM.

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                              #17
                              Originally posted by Post-Crisis Shob View Post

                              The thing about China is that all the research facilities and information channels are state controlled. The only thing you ever hear about them doing is pirating other country's tech.

                              Not because that's the only thing they do, but because that's the only thing that isn't a state secret.

                              In a country like say--South Korea--for example, we have open information channels and sharing of scientific research. And we know they've been doing some rather remarkable R&D into fusion reactors; they're probably closer then any Western country to building a working prototype ATM. If they can get that up and running, that could launch Seoul to superpower status (or it could melt half the peninsula with a 300 million degree ball of plasma; who the hell knows. They think they've solved the problem of how to stop the heat from radiating out of the reactor core, but...)

                              Whatever China is or isn't doing in terms of developing new tech; we don't know, because they're not in the habit of showing their work.
                              So basically....

                              It is all speculation at this point and anyone claiming of Chinese superior technology is just sucking their cock.

                              Originally posted by Date Rape Prophet
                              I don't believe in infallibility of scripture

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                                #18
                                Originally posted by #83.6666666667 View Post
                                Actually Shob is pretty non-bias here.

                                And I have noticed a large increment of advancement in technology and science from China. I think the USA might still be ahead right now but they'll be surpassed in a decade or so. Europe seems to be the one taking the lead in the "western world". If the USA doesn't start to get their shit together we'll be a low tier country. Having the biggest military budget won't matter if China has a superior military.
                                ...I was talking to my wife about this recently...

                                She had a theory I've never heard before. Its based on her experience and observations from being educated in the Asian school system as a child, and teaching in the American school system as an adult.

                                By almost every conceivable metric, the Asian school system is superior. In graduates more students at lower costs with higher average proficiency in science, math, technology, and language arts.

                                HOWEVER (her observations)

                                1) The American system operates on more individualistic principles, while the Asian system operates on more collectivist principals. Whereas the Asian system focuses on getting everyone (or as close to everyone as possible) up to acceptable performance levels, the American system focuses on identifying its best and brightest for "advanced placement." And dedicates its best resources to giving them the most comprehensive, cutting-edge education while everyone else just gets showered with lowered expectations and pushed through the system regardless of whether or not they learn anything.

                                2) Consequently, the Asian system produces a more consistent output of high achievers. With exceptionally high achievers and exceptionally low achievers in the distribution of a standard bell curve:




                                Whereas the American education system produces:




                                ...the exact opposite...a REVERSE bell curve...

                                A concentration of exceptionally high achievers
                                A concentration of exceptionally low achievers
                                And a massive fuck-off gap between the two

                                (Therein lies the root of so many of America's social problems)


                                3) The Asian education system educates and measures success purely by mechanical memorization + recitation of facts and formulas. Every question has an objectively right answer and objectively wrong answers; there are no subjective essay topics. Your teacher is not looking for you to express individual thoughts and opinions. Conformity is a virtue. Questioning purportedly authoritative facts and assumptions is a vice. You learn facts and figures; you don't learn critical thinking.

                                Like an Asian biology test will have you memorizing vocabulary. Identifying biological systems and processes. Identifying which organs belong to which system. Identifying which system does which job. And using the memorized vocabulary to explain how the systems works.

                                An Asian biology test will never, ever, ever ask a question like: Scientist A says the experiment supports conclusion #1. Scientist B says the experiment supports conclusion #2. Which scientist do you agree with and why? How could the methodology of the experiment be improved, and what new experiments could be performed to reach a more definitive conclusion?

                                4) Consequently, the HIGHEST achievers in the American education system--while comparatively few in number compared to the volume of HIGH achievers in the Asian system--are educated to possess a penchant for questioning the status-quo of conventional thinking and pushing the envelope that graduates of the Asian system are not trained to possess.

                                ______

                                She summarizes her observations as follows: "Asian education produces millions of really good coders and software engineers. But they don't revolutionize the industry; they just write software. American education produces Trump supporters and inner city ghettos. But it also produces Bill Gates and Steve Jobs."

                                ...something to think about...
                                Last edited by Post-Crisis Shob; May 15th, 2018, 02:20 PM.

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                                  #19
                                  Originally posted by Kajin_Style View Post

                                  So basically....

                                  It is all speculation at this point and anyone claiming of Chinese superior technology is just sucking their cock.
                                  ...pretty much...

                                  Until they decide to actually show their hand.
                                  Last edited by Post-Crisis Shob; May 15th, 2018, 02:19 PM.

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                                    #20
                                    Originally posted by Post-Crisis Shob View Post

                                    ...I was talking to my wife about this recently...

                                    She had a theory I've never heard before. Its based on her experience and observations from being educated in the Asian school system as a child, and teaching in the American school system as an adult.

                                    By almost every conceivable metric, the Asian school system is superior. In graduates more students at lower costs with higher average proficiency in science, math, technology, and language arts.

                                    HOWEVER (her observations)

                                    1) The American system operates on more individualistic principles, while the Asian system operates on more collectivist principals. Whereas the Asian system focuses on getting everyone (or as close to everyone as possible) up to acceptable performance levels, the American system focuses on identifying its best and brightest for "advanced placement." And dedicates its best resources to giving them the most comprehensive, cutting-edge education while everyone else just gets showered with lowered expectations and pushed through the system regardless of whether or not they learn anything.

                                    2) Consequently, the Asian system produces a more consistent output of high achievers. With exceptionally high achievers and exceptionally low achievers in the distribution of a standard bell curve:




                                    Whereas the American education system produces:




                                    ...the exact opposite...a REVERSE bell curve...

                                    A concentration of exceptionally high achievers
                                    A concentration of exceptionally low achievers
                                    And a massive fuck-off gap between the two

                                    (Therein lies the root of so many of America's social problems)


                                    3) The Asian education system educates and measures success purely by mechanical memorization + recitation of facts and formulas. Every question has an objectively right answer and objectively wrong answers; there are no subjective essay topics. Your teacher is not looking for you to express individual thoughts and opinions. Conformity is a virtue. Questioning purportedly authoritative facts and assumptions is a vice. You learn facts and figures; you don't learn critical thinking.

                                    Like an Asian biology test will have you memorizing vocabulary. Identifying biological systems and processes. Identifying which organs belong to which system. Identifying which system does which job. And using the memorized vocabulary to explain how the systems works.

                                    An Asian biology test will never, ever, ever ask a question like: Scientist A says the experiment supports conclusion #1. Scientist B says the experiment supports conclusion #2. Which scientist do you agree with and why? How could the methodology of the experiment be improved, and what new experiments could be performed to reach a more definitive conclusion?

                                    4) Consequently, the HIGHEST achievers in the American education system--while comparatively few in number compared to the volume of HIGH achievers in the Asian system--are educated to possess a penchant for questioning the status-quo of conventional thinking and pushing the envelope that graduates of the Asian system are not trained to possess.

                                    ______

                                    She summarizes her observations as follows: "Asian education produces millions of really good coders and software engineers. But they don't revolutionize the industry; they just write software. American education produces Trump supporters and inner city ghettos. But it also produces Bill Gates and Steve Jobs."

                                    ...something to think about...
                                    Your wife sounds very intelligent and insightful, you're a lucky man. In regards to Biology test however, they sound like American Biology test. It's all basically memorization. I don't ever recall being asked which method is better and why. That sounds more like something you'd hear in a Physics project. But I agree with the rest.
                                    "“The distinction we’ve always made is there’s a difference between conducting espionage in order to protect national security and conduct military operations, and the theft of intellectual property for the benefit of companies inside your country,” said Michael Daniel, the White House cybersecurity coordinator under Obama."

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