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    discuss the legitimacy of israel as a state

    Post-Crisis Shob
    Originally posted by Oneiros
    In that case, I’m the biggest faggot on the block.

    #2
    9/11

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      #3
      systematic genocide
      sort sol - marble station

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        #4
        Why would their state not have legitimacy?

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          #5
          Is this discourse in reference to Israel's claimed political authority or to its right to exist?

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          • Doctor.
            Doctor. commented
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            I'd start with the latter, but if you want to go ahead and discuss the former with anyone else then go straight ahead :]

          #6
          Originally posted by Chaos Theory View Post
          Why would their state not have legitimacy?
          Stolen land isn't rightful land.
          Originally posted by Oneiros
          In that case, I’m the biggest faggot on the block.

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            #7
            Originally posted by Doctor. View Post

            Stolen land isn't rightful land.
            There are plenty of world powers that fall under that line of thinking.

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              #8
              Originally posted by Doctor. View Post
              Stolen land isn't rightful land.
              Very few contemporary political states are "legitimate" given that stipulation, then.

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                #9
                Originally posted by Chaos Theory View Post
                There are plenty of world powers that fall under that line of thinking.

                Originally posted by Phobetor View Post
                Very few contemporary political states are "legitimate" given that stipulation, then.

                I didn't know we were back in the Middle Ages
                Originally posted by Oneiros
                In that case, I’m the biggest faggot on the block.

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                  #10
                  Originally posted by Doctor. View Post
                  I didn't know we were back in the Middle Ages
                  The morality of politics, and of political states in particular, is a distinct discussion that can go on forever and get us nowhere.

                  Essentially, we have to unfortunately accept the status quo of country legitimacy and rights as is; and in that context, why are you treating Israel differently from other states that similarly stole what they consider to be their land? Plenty of other states continue to oppress or exert political influence over the peoples and former nations they have expatriated, if that is your argument.

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                    #11
                    Working on a murder trial. Give me a few hours.

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                      #12
                      Originally posted by Phobetor View Post
                      The morality of politics, and of political states in particular, is a distinct discussion that can go on forever and get us nowhere.

                      Essentially, we have to unfortunately accept the status quo of country legitimacy and rights as is;
                      Right, which is why I said you can go ahead and discuss Israel's political authority instead. As much as I disapprove of Israel's existence, it's not like I have any power to change things.

                      and in that context, why are you treating Israel differently from other states that similarly stole what they consider to be their land? Plenty of other states continue to oppress or exert political influence over the peoples and former nations they have expatriated, if that is your argument.
                      They didn't do it in the middle of the 20th century. And the ones who did rightfully got lambasted internationally over it whilst Israel seems to get a free pass.
                      Originally posted by Oneiros
                      In that case, I’m the biggest faggot on the block.

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                        #13
                        lemme guess did u get screwed over by a jew in the past few days
                        Originally posted by A New Soul;n492699
                        There is literally nothing wrong with being a pedophile

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                          #14
                          Originally posted by Saffron View Post
                          lemme guess did u get screwed over by a jew in the past few days
                          Shob asked me to make the thread

                          I don't even think I've ever interacted with a jew ever, I don't live in the fucking US
                          Originally posted by Oneiros
                          In that case, I’m the biggest faggot on the block.

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                          • Saffron
                            Saffron commented
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                            why do freedomland and israel have to be the only place where u can find joos

                          • Doctor.
                            Doctor. commented
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                            because Europe kicked them all out before it was too late

                          #15
                          Originally posted by Doctor. View Post

                          I didn't know we were back in the Middle Ages
                          So, there is a statute of limitations on your question?

                          Stolen land is stolen land. Right?

                          Lets not forget that Russia took land not three years ago that wasn't theirs, even when they originally took it.

                          Israel's land isn't stolen either, its spoils of war from WWII, gifted to them by the Allies.

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                            #16
                            Originally posted by Chaos Theory View Post

                            So, there is a statute of limitations on your question?

                            Stolen land is stolen land. Right?

                            Lets not forget that Russia took land not three years ago that wasn't theirs, even when they originally took it.

                            Israel's land isn't stolen either, its spoils of war from WWII, gifted to them by the Allies.
                            Yes, things aren't black and white. Nobody cared about slavery when everyone was doing it. Nobody cared about stealing land when everyone was doing it. Zionists stole Palestinian land in the middle of the 20th century when these things were object of criticism.

                            You mean the Crimea incident? Yeah, that stunt got a lot of criticism, so I don't see how it helps your point.

                            The allies didn't own the land.
                            Originally posted by Oneiros
                            In that case, I’m the biggest faggot on the block.

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                              #17
                              Originally posted by Doctor. View Post

                              Yes, things aren't black and white. Nobody cared about slavery when everyone was doing it. Nobody cared about stealing land when everyone was doing it. Zionists stole Palestinian land in the middle of the 20th century when these things were object of criticism.

                              You mean the Crimea incident? Yeah, that stunt got a lot of criticism, so I don't see how it helps your point.

                              The allies didn't own the land.
                              The point is, it still happened. They also invaded Georgia in 08.

                              It's called the spoils of war, the Arab world sided with the Nazis in WWII. Karma's a bitch

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                                #18
                                Originally posted by Chaos Theory View Post

                                The point is, it still happened. They also invaded Georgia in 08.

                                It's called the spoils of war, the Arab world sided with the Nazis in WWII. Karma's a bitch
                                Right of conquest then? Might is right?
                                Originally posted by Oneiros
                                In that case, I’m the biggest faggot on the block.

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                                  #19
                                  Originally posted by Doctor. View Post

                                  Right of conquest then? Might is right?
                                  Choice and consequence, cause and effect. There was no conquest involved.

                                  They aided one of the most evil regimes in modern history.

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                                    #20
                                    Originally posted by Chaos Theory View Post

                                    Choice and consequence, cause and effect. There was no conquest involved.

                                    They aided one of the most evil regimes in modern history.
                                    How are you making this argument when the other side had the US
                                    Originally posted by Oneiros
                                    In that case, I’m the biggest faggot on the block.

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