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    Are humans inherently good?

    Humans are subject to amoral animalistic tendencies, which if not evil, certainly aren't good. Thoughts to elaborate on this idea?

    #2
    Most people are good unless you give them a reason not to be. Most people are born wanting to hurt others, theyre either taught to from those in their community or from situations where they can benifit from screwing someone else over.

    Most of our "animalistic tendancies" are meant from self preservation and only become evil when they harm others who arent actually a threat to you. At least thats my opinion.

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      #3
      A lot of ppl act good but you never know who is gonna be secretly fucked up

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        #4
        No.

        Still, for what it's worth, most people try to be good. That doesn't mean they always (or even often) succeed, however. The "reptile brain" is just too stronk.

        Me, I've come to terms with being the scum of the earth. It's liberating, if nothing else.
        Last edited by Oneiros; December 7th, 2017, 06:06 AM.

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          #5
          Nobody born inherently good or evil, someone way be more predispose to be more evil/good than normal, but nothing else.

          You cannot trully apply morality to an entire species, it can only be apply to individuals and groups, and even that evil and good are far from be absolute concepts.

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            #6
            Humans are born a blank slate, though empathy is natural (in most humans), so one can say that most humans have the capacity to be "good".

            There's a combination of abuses enacted upon a person and having needs not being met, which turns them "evil". From a universal perspective however, there is no good, bad or right and wrong.
            Last edited by King Solomon; December 7th, 2017, 08:03 AM.

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              #7
              Define what is bad. A lot of what we consider crimes are normal everyday occurrences in nature. We are in fact the weirdos on this planet.

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                #8
                In my opinion with Buddhist philosophy, all life contains goodness, badness, and neutralness.
                It depends on how you train yourself to be, if you want to determine which you are.
                Your actions will speak for themselves.

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                  #9
                  Humans are only inherently evil or inherently good if your standards of goodness are either ridiculously high or ridiculously low (see: Romans 3:23). If we're setting up a realistic standard then all of humanity would be some shade of gray.
                  Originally posted by Wade
                  It isn't date rape if God commands it, and he already commanded it.

                  Originally posted by Wade
                  I'm saying we actually don't know for certain that 1kg is 1kg.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by RecycledCosmicEnergy View Post
                    In my opinion with Buddhist philosophy, all life contains goodness, badness, and neutralness.
                    It depends on how you train yourself to be, if you want to determine which you are.
                    Your actions will speak for themselves.
                    I love you lol..

                    The Tragic vision is pretty tempting though.
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                    There's the 'brutish and short' narrative, based on phantom ancestor behavior that goes against humans in nature being peaceful a.k.a the Nobel savage(I think it's debatable)

                    There's the 'our brains aren't meant for the benefit of the species' which is another thing that individually puts us on different levels of seeing things.

                    Babies supposedly showing racial bias depending on exposure(if your clan is all you know, differences might be alien as you grow older), babies stressing out the mother's reproductive success by crying so genetically it gets more attention, and the baby needing to look cute so infanticide doesn't happen as much.

                    Positive emotions in war, where both sides think they can win.

                    Rape where it becomes such a meme it's in sexual fantasies and forces out human feminism and other strategies in nature to avoid the inevitable rape issue.




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                      #11
                      You are inherently retarded.

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                        #12
                        Good doesn't exist. Thus it's impossible for humans to "inherently" be any such thing.

                        Humans are inherently Human. Thats the end of it.

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                          #13
                          Evil-ass motherfuckers.

                          Originally posted by RussianCoffeeAddict;n451511
                          there's a quality to being a giant hunk of muscle mass, tbh.

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                            #14
                            People are, for the most part, just stupid and scared, and insecure, weak too. Morality has little to do with their actions or even ideology Too many weak dads raising weak kids, all of them with thin arms or sweathog bags of jelly. Smh

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                              #15
                              Human beings are inherently wonderfully kind, benevolent creatures- I'm absolutely certain of such a fact!
                              Originally posted by Oneiros View Post
                              No.

                              Me, I've come to terms with being the scum of the earth. It's liberating, if nothing else.
                              You mustn't give up so easily, Morph.
                              Where's your Fight?
                              Where's your Will to be Unconquerable and Supreme?
                              How can you give up so easily- without even struggling to approach a sensible answer?
                              You can do much better than that, my friend!
                              I'm absolutely certain that I push you towards the right direction for the next 10,673,385,585 steps, you'll surely be on your way towards the right answer.
                              No doubts about it! ^_^

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                                #16
                                Originally posted by 40 acres View Post
                                Define what is bad. A lot of what we consider crimes are normal everyday occurrences in nature. We are in fact the weirdos on this planet.
                                All in the name of being comfortable.

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                                • 40 acres
                                  40 acres commented
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                                  exactly

                                #17
                                This is one of those philosophical threads, so it's important to think about the concepts of good and evil. Humans simply are born to act in their best interests for survival, everything else comes from social conditioning.

                                When a lion kills a pack of lion cubs to take over a pride is it "evil"? It does this for a few reasons, so it doesn't have to take care of and worry about feeding another lion's cubs, and also to bring more cubs of their own into the world. The lion doesn't consider if his acts are good or evil.

                                So basically the lion does this for his own convenience, there's many examples of shitty things animals do in the wild.

                                If a man kills a child to avoid something like say child support, out of his own convenience then is it evil? Yeah, we as a society came together and said filicide is wrong, so we don't go around committing murders for our own convenience. We need morals to co-exist peacefully, animals don't have giant cities and human ingenuity like we do. I don't really want to get into how evolution gave us "conscience" because most of this stuff is beyond me and I haven't taken a Philosophy course in years now.

                                Anyways I hope you get the gist of what I'm saying, good and evil are something we made up to co exist. Are humans inherently good? I think it's just a wrong question to ask in the first place, but I know PHI majors will go down my throat for that kinda thing since they love debating over the tiny stuff.

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                                  #18
                                  No humans instinctively are evil thats why you teach kids morals or they end up criminals.

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                                    #19
                                    Originally posted by Duck Butter View Post
                                    No humans instinctively are evil thats why you teach kids morals or they end up criminals.
                                    My memory's going to be a bit foggy because this was from a while ago. There was some sort of experiment, I don't remember the exact name of it, but the researchers made children watch two different scenes of a puppet show. One scene featured a mean puppet, which did mean stuff to another puppet; the other featured a nice puppet, which did nice stuff to the puppet that was victimized by the mean puppet of the other scene. Once the kids were done watching each scene, they were allowed to play with one of the puppets, but they could only choose one between the mean and the nice puppet. The kids gravitated towards the nicer puppet, which reveals an inclination towards nice, morally upright behavior. If I remember correctly, these kids weren't even old enough to talk.

                                    You'll notice some big contributors to crime are poor mental health and a bad past. I'd say people are good until they're conditioned into being bad, or mentally abnormal.

                                    Not only that, some people--or should I say, a large number of people--have a poor understanding of what constitutes morally upright or immoral behavior.
                                    Retard:"Prostitution is immoral!1!"
                                    Intelligent, sensible person:: "Why? No one gets hurt."
                                    Retard: -insert incoherent emotional response-


                                    Last edited by Demon; December 27th, 2017, 08:58 PM.

                                    Originally posted by RussianCoffeeAddict;n451511
                                    there's a quality to being a giant hunk of muscle mass, tbh.

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                                      #20
                                      Originally posted by 40 acres View Post
                                      Define what is bad. A lot of what we consider crimes are normal everyday occurrences in nature. We are in fact the weirdos on this planet.
                                      I guess anyone's definition of what's bad would be anything they just can't empathize with.

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